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If this isn't capitulation to their demands...

Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 3:05 am
by KD5NRH
...one has to wonder what would be. Emphasis mine.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/ ... ez.police/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
JUAREZ, Mexico (CNN) -- The mayor of Juarez announced Friday that the city's police chief is stepping down after receiving death threats from local drug cartels.
Police Chief Robert Orduna's resignation also came in response to the deaths of other police, Mayor Jose Reyes Ferriz told reporters.
"The police chief has resigned, saying he did not want to be responsible for any more police dying," Reyes said.
But observers should not interpret the resignation as a capitulation to narcotraffickers, he said.
"We have not blinked," Reyes said. "We will continue to fight organized crime... he has done a good job, but we will find someone else."
The change in command in Juarez's police force comes in the wake of a campaign of intimidation by a drug cartel that has the border city in its grip.
Federal police and local police have locked down much of Juarez, which lies across the border from El Paso, Texas. It serves as a major transit point for the smuggling of cocaine, marijuana and methamphetamine into the United States.
Orduna, who replaced half of the 1,600-person police force with new recruits in a bid to rid it of corrupt members, tendered his resignation to protect the men who serve him, Reyes told reporters.
"They started killing police officers when they were going home or getting into police cars," he said.
The police director of operations was gunned down on Tuesday in his car. Another police officer and a prison guard were found dead Friday morning as part of a campaign of intimidation against government forces blamed on the cartels.
Last year, more than 100 police were killed in Juarez in attacks blamed on organized crime.
On Friday, the U.S. State Department renewed a travel alert for Americans considering a visit to Mexico.
"The situation in Ciudad Juarez is of special concern," it said. "Mexican authorities report that more than 1,800 people have been killed in the city since January 2008. Additionally, this city of 1.6 million people experienced more than 17,000 car thefts and 1,650 carjackings in 2008."
Drug-related violence in Mexico has continued unabated since December 2006, when President Felipe Calderon took power and launched an offensive against the cartels.
Last year, drug violence was blamed for the deaths of 78 Mexican soldiers and more than 6,000 civilians.
IMO, they should have given this guy and his family a security detail that would make Calderon's look pitiful the minute they realized how much the gangs hate him.

Re: If this isn't capitulation to their demands...

Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:21 am
by Oldgringo
Once again, if the drugs weren't illegal would there be....what?

Re: If this isn't capitulation to their demands...

Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:42 am
by Lodge2004
Oldgringo wrote:Once again, if the drugs weren't illegal would there be....what?
Kidnapping, extortion, burglary, armed robbery, etc... There will always be bad people willing to do bad things to others for money. Although I agree the drug war has not worked (the law of unintended consequences), ending it will not end crime. It will merely force the bad guys to find another source of income, just like any business would if the public stopped buying their product (GM and Ford not included).

Also, there will always be illegal drugs. Even if you legalized everything on the market today, somebody would cook up a new mind altering concoction in their garage the next day. Humans are curious animals and its what we do. Prohibition ended a long time ago and yet I have relatives who still support themselves cooking moonshine in the back hills of Virginia. The organized criminal franchises in Chicago and Detroit didn't just go away when alcohol became legal.

Re: If this isn't capitulation to their demands...

Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:08 am
by Oldgringo
Lodge2004 wrote:

...if you legalized everything on the market today...
I'm getting a little tired of being in wars we can't win. Prohibition doesn't seem to work any more today than it did 70 - 80 years ago. There is a difference between a substance being legal and being not illegal, at least there is a difference in my mind. It's sorta' like hooch is not illegal, it's legally sold in a controlled environment.

Re: If this isn't capitulation to their demands...

Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 3:07 pm
by roberts
The chickens have come home to roost.

Re: If this isn't capitulation to their demands...

Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 5:21 pm
by Lodge2004
roberts wrote:The chickens have come home to roost.
True, but what chickens? Is it because Mexico is a corrupt society with an elite ruling class and virtually no middle class, leaving the vast majority of the population with few choices to feed themselves? Or is it because the US has a huge appetite for mind altering drugs?

Re: If this isn't capitulation to their demands...

Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 6:00 pm
by Oldgringo
Lodge2004 wrote:
roberts wrote:The chickens have come home to roost.
True, but what chickens? Is it because Mexico is a corrupt society with an elite ruling class and virtually no middle class, leaving the vast majority of the population with few choices to feed themselves? Or is it because the US has a huge appetite for mind altering drugs?
Yes.

Re: If this isn't capitulation to their demands...

Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 6:27 pm
by Fangs
This might serve as an example in the future for other countries who feel a need to enforce change in their government. Hopefully for nobler causes though.

I'm not saying it's right, I am saying it's effective. Violence isn't the answer, it just puts the question in a way that's hard to ignore.