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Cheap 10/22
Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:29 pm
by WarHawk-AVG
I wrote Ruger telling them that people are rather upset of the lowering of the quality of the 10/22 by putting in the "plastic" garbage furniture on them..this is the reply I got
Dear Brian C*** ,
Thank you for using the Ruger On-Line Customer Support Request Form.
This e-mail is in response to your question or comment of 04/17/2009
Request No: 30240
Comment / question:
You people in the quality control department really need to fire the guy that suggested you LOWER the quality of your 10/22 and start making PLASTIC components..I know ALOT of people who are dis-satisfied and will NOT be buying any more Ruger products..me included!
http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/xdtalk-cha ... -22-a.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Wake up before we find other cheap .22's to buy
Thanks
Brian C***
Response:
Ruger engineers are always looking for ways to improve our products, including evaluating new and evolving technologies and materials. Polymer technology is continually improving, and polymers have been used in cutting edge firearms for over 25 years. The benefits of polymers are many, including improved impact resistance, an unmatched ability to withstand the elements, and of course weight savings. Accordingly, polymers are routinely used in firearms that are subjected to heavy use in harsh conditions, law enforcement and military applications in particular.
The new trigger group of the Ruger 10/22 carbine features injection molded components of high tech polymer for an improved product with closer manufacturing tolerances. The firearm is as reliable and, because the color is incorporated into the polymer of the injection molded components, the finish will never wear off due to normal use or unexpected abrasion. Also, the heat stabilized, glass filled polymer will withstand impacts that would bend or even break the die cast aluminum parts previously used in America’s most popular rimfire autoloading carbines. Overall, we feel that these new components are just one example of our efforts to produce high quality firearms at an excellent value.
If you need further information, please visit our website at
http://www.ruger.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; or contact us at:
Revolvers, shotguns, rifles, 10/22 Charger Pistol: (603) 865-2442
Pistols: (928) 778-6555
Serial Number History Information: (603) 865-2424
Please note: This e-mail is sent from a notification-only address that cannot accept incoming e-mail. Please do not reply to this message.
Sincerely,
Ruger Firearms
Yah a bit harsh..but darnit...now they are even LOWER in quality..uggh!
Re: Cheap 10/22
Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:34 pm
by CainA
Nice try!!!
Pretty typical response. I've complained about products(not necessarily gun products) before and have gotten similar responses.
-Cain
Re: Cheap 10/22
Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:03 pm
by Rex B
For my money, the Marlin 60 currently made is more gun for the money. Cabelas recently had the stainless model 60 with a nice wood stock for $179.95.
Of course, you can't customize a 60 like you can a 10/22, but then those plastic parts are the first to go when you do that.
So maybe Ruger decided if they are throwaway parts anyway, why waste money?
Re: Cheap 10/22
Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:21 pm
by WarHawk-AVG
Rex B wrote:For my money, the Marlin 60 currently made is more gun for the money. Cabelas recently had the stainless model 60 with a nice wood stock for $179.95.
Of course, you can't customize a 60 like you can a 10/22, but then those plastic parts are the first to go when you do that.
So maybe Ruger decided if they are throwaway parts anyway, why waste money?
Your trigger group is throw away?!?
Re: Cheap 10/22
Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:28 pm
by Rex B
One of the most upgrades is the Volkqwhatever trigger group.
The photos I've seen appear to be a complete drop-in assembly
Re: Cheap 10/22
Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 7:04 pm
by boomerang
Be happy they don't charge extra for plastic like with the LCP and LCR.
Re: Cheap 10/22
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:55 pm
by Liberty
Don't know anything about the 10/22s and I understand that the poster may have a point about the specific gun he addresses, but in my world many guns made today without plastic are cheap trashy crap"(bryco jennings etc.), while some of the real quality guns have lots of plastic.
The Beretta 92fs is a gun that was originally manufactured as an all metal gun (except the grips) and has replaced some of the parts with plastic. Although there has been a lot of criticism about this move away from metals, It seems as though the plastic has not been a detriment to the gun and probably has been in improvement to the reliability because the guide rod actually is smoother operating than with the metal one. There is a reason why the rust belt up north is falling apart socially and economically while the Texas Gulf Coast Is doing comparatively better, and some of that has to do the plastic industry.
There are some fine guns that are fine primarily because of the use of plastics. Glocks, M16/AR15 and the Ruger P95 come to mind.
Ever wonder what JMB might have designed if he had today's modern materials to work with?
Re: Cheap 10/22
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 7:58 pm
by Oldgringo
Assuming for a moment that there are no issues with .22 caliber rifles, where is there any bulk .22 ammo?
Re: Cheap 10/22
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:46 pm
by particle
I recently purchased a Henry Large Loop Lever Carbine .22LR from my FFL (after having never handled one in person - they get excellent reviews, so I figured I couldn't go wrong). When I opened the box, I was stunned to see plastic parts on the rifle, and what appears to be black paint coating the receiver cover. It was my impression when I purchased the rifle that I was buying a blued, all steel (and a wood stock) rifle. My opinion is that these little .22 rifles are 'heirloom' rifles - I bought mine for my son, and assume the rifle will likely be in our family for the rest of our lives. So, I emailed Henry expressing my disappointment with the inclusion of plastic parts. They promptly sent me a reply asking for my contact information, and they'd send me metal replacements. After opening the box of 'replacements', I'd much rather keep the cheap plastic parts on the rifle, as the metal replacements were poorly made, still showing casting seams - and the paint was flaking off!!! I was expecting blued pieces, not pot metal painted crap! On a positive note, the plastic parts don't seem to hinder the performance of this rifle one bit - it just doesn't have that same feel of quality that my Marlin 1894 Carbine .357 Magnum rifle displays.
Re: Cheap 10/22
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:52 pm
by particle
Oldgringo wrote:Assuming for a moment that there are no issues with .22 caliber rifles, where is there any bulk .22 ammo?
I was in Cabela's today in Fort Worth buying some birthday presents for my Son - they actually had a ton of .40 S&W and even more .22LR. I picked up a couple boxes of CCI Minimags and Winchester high-velocity in the 500 round wooden boxes. There was an abundance of both.
Re: Cheap 10/22
Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:36 am
by jayg0351
Some of the plastic parts are just metal coated with a layer of palstic. My italian 92fs trigger is plastic coated. I actually prefer this type over bare metal due to Texas weather.
Re: Cheap 10/22
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:59 am
by tboesche
Must be the odd man out. I have 2 10/22's. 1 Bone stock and one modified with a TS Bull barrel and an extend mag release. Both rifles have been very reliable. i ma hard on them and shoot the dickens out of them. Easily have 5k rounds thru each of them. Biggest issue I have is when I use crappy magazines. The factory 10 rounders NEVER give me a problem, like wise the steel lipped 25 rounders.
Re: Cheap 10/22
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:16 pm
by speedsix
Oldgringo wrote:Assuming for a moment that there are no issues with .22 caliber rifles, where is there any bulk .22 ammo?
WallyWorld...
Re: Cheap 10/22
Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 4:51 pm
by HankB
Rex B wrote:One of the most upgrades is the Volkqwhatever trigger group.
The photos I've seen appear to be a complete drop-in assembly
By most accounts, if you're replacing the entire assembly, the Kidd trigger is better than the Volquartson.
I currently have the VQ hammer in my otherwise stock 10/22 trigger assembly (Aluminum, not plastic!
) and it brought the pull down below 2 1/2 lbs . . . but there's a little creep there.
Re: Cheap 10/22
Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:17 pm
by Syntyr
where is there any bulk .22 ammo?
WalMart
550 rounds of Federal for $13.00. I have yet to be in a WalMart in Houston that doesn't have at least 10 or more boxes during the past year. I pick up a box or two every month. Which reminds me I need to go to the range. I probably have 12,000 or more rounds of .22lr.