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I went to Discount Tire to get some new shoes put on my truck. The wait was going to be around an hour. That's not news to me as I'm familiar with waiting on truck tires. What did bug me was that the mall across the parking lot is 30.06. We've known this since moving into the area. It bothered us then, it bothers me now. It especially bugged me yesterday because if that 30.06 wasn't posted, they would have gotten business and I'd have been better entertained. Instead I sat in the waiting room, chatted with the guys, played on Facebook mobile and spent only $1200 for the day.


I plan on writing a letter to the mall. I expect to get a brush off reply. I don't think anything will come of it but I'm sending one none the less. Tips on writing a pleasant yet compelling letter?

I'm still new to carrying concealed and handguns in general. I grew up in the great Northeast where ONLY criminals carry guns. To me a 30.06 sign says 2 things.

1. If your a criminal, please feel free to enter and proceed with your criminal activity without threat of civilian harassment.
2. If you are a law abiding citizen, one with or without a CHL, please enter and financially support our fine facility, but please note that we have no interest in your safety.

I'm sure this could be said better but that really irks me, to bad for them, sounds like you were in a spending mood too.

Shorts wrote:Tips on writing a pleasant yet compelling letter?

Keep it short, to the point and don't go off on tangents. Make sure that you have correct spelling and grammar.

How you just wrote it is to the point. You wanted to go but didn't. It let's the mall decide if the sign is doing what they hoped it would do or is it doing something unintended.

zee, makes sense.




Doing some research for the mailing address, the mall (Grapevine Mills) is owned by Simon Property Group. Which as I'm reading through links is the same group that threw out conservative vendors from their mall in N.C. for carrying anti-Obama items.

Simon Property Management

Overview

Property Management has primary responsibility for maintaining Simon’s industry leading position by providing our customers a quality shopping experience. This includes focus on such diverse elements as quality of service, safety, convenience, visual appeal, cleanliness and comfort. Property Management fulfills all day-to-day operational responsibilities at the properties as well as managing operational and upgrade capital investments to insure a consistent and reliable retail product with desirable customer touchpoints. In addition, Property Management assures that Simon is a strong corporate citizen contributing to the betterment of the communities in which we operate.

Here's business profile: http://nyjobsource.com/simon.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Headquarters:
225 West Washington Street
Indianapolis, IN 46204
Employees: 5,000
CEO: David Simon
Stock Symbol: SPG

Website: http://www.simon.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;




Grapevine Mills Mall & Management
3000 Grapevine Mills Pkwy
Grapevine, TX 76051
http://www.simon.com/mall/default.aspx?ID=1248" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Phone:(972)724-4900

Shorts wrote:Doing some research for the mailing address, the mall (Grapevine Mills) is owned by Simon Property Group. Which as I'm reading through links is the same group that threw out conservative vendors from their mall in N.C. for carrying anti-Obama items.


zee, makes sense.

Shorts, I was just going to say, "Let me guess... Grapevine Mills?"

I live in Grapevine, and I don't go there. If I need to go to a mall, I go to the Northeast Mall in Hurst, which isn't all that much farther away. It is not posted, and it has pretty much anything you'll find at Grapevine mills. There's even a Dick's Sporting Goods that sells guns.

PM me if you ever want to go shooting.

I was going to guess Grapevine Mills as well as I've spent some time at that Discount Tire.

I'm surprised NE Mall isn't posted as I believe it's owned by Simon too.

The Annoyed Man wrote: Shorts, I was just going to say, "Let me guess... Grapevine Mills?"

I live in Grapevine, and I don't go there. If I need to go to a mall, I go to the Northeast Mall in Hurst, which isn't all that much farther away. It is not posted, and it has pretty much anything you'll find at Grapevine mills. There's even a Dick's Sporting Goods that sells guns.

PM me if you ever want to go shooting.

Yup. A while back we stopped going to the AMC theater and started going to Southlake instead. Movie tickets are cheaper too, by a buck.

Can't helped but be rashed for being discriminated against

In calling and writing to the local mall officials here, they have now placed the sign "no unlicensed firearms."
Here is some of the wording I used, which you might get some ideas from:

Dear Mrs xxx,

I would like to make you aware of some facts related to CHL holders in Texas of which you may be unaware:

1. A CHL holder has no felony convictions on his/her record.
2. A CHL holder has not had a class A or B misdemeanor within five years of the original issuance of the license.
3. A CHL holder is not mentally incapable.
4. A CHL holder is not permitted to be chemically dependent.
5. A CHL holder has received training in the law of self-defense.
6. A CHL holder has passed a handgun qualification exercise.
7. All CHL holders are 21-years-old or older.
8. CHL holders do not have outstanding child support payments and are not in default on student loans.

CHL holders pride themselves on being upstanding citizens--they typically avoid criminal behavior to the letter of the law. For that reason, they will not enter your business armed when they see your sign. However, most guard their second amendment rights with a ferver. They will usually take their business elsewhere rather than accept what they perceive as an insult to their character and responsibility level.

May I offer, as an alternative to the 30.06 sign, the posting of a sign forbidding the unlicensed possession of a firearm? This will allow you to make the statement that you do not want criminal behavior, while respecting the wishes of lawful gun carriers. The mall in Abilene has just such a sign stating "The UNLICENSED possesion of a handgun in this establishment is forbidden."

I encourage you to visit the Department of Public Safety (DPS) website. http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; You will find a great deal of information about the CHL holders in your community.

Thank you for you time and attention. I would be happy to work with you in a way to both satisfy your CHL customers and meet the needs of your establishment as well. Keep in mind that the only time a CHL holder is allowed to draw his weapon is in a case of life and death. Surely if such were to occur at your mall, you would be happy to have a law abiding carrying individual present. You will never see our weapons unless needed, for "concealed" means "concealed."

As for me, I refuse to be where I cannot defend myself or my family. My chances of being harmed is the exact percentage as the customers of the Salt Lake City Mall. Which, btw, the shooter was unlicensed and did not care about signs nor laws.

I am considering publishing this in the opinion page of the Brownwood Bulletin, but hope you will give a positive consideration to such.

Wayne Goforth

wgoforth wrote:I calling and writing to the local mall officials here, they have now placed the sign "no unlicensed firearms."

I read your thread about Heartland Mall and congratulate you on your results, even if most of us would not have said anything.

But never confuse Heartland Mall with Grapevine Mall, Katy Mills Mall in Houston, and the other Simon properties. This company is not uninformed. They are steadfastly antigun and relish their position. No doubt, since 1995, they have received thousands of well written letters on our behalf.

The only option left to us is to not go there.

Mike1951 wrote:

wgoforth wrote:I calling and writing to the local mall officials here, they have now placed the sign "no unlicensed firearms."

I read your thread about Heartland Mall and congratulate you on your results, even if most of us would not have said anything.

But never confuse Heartland Mall with Grapevine Mall, Katy Mills Mall in Houston, and the other Simon properties. This company is not uninformed. They are steadfastly antigun and relish their position. No doubt, since 1995, they have received thousands of well written letters on our behalf.

The only option left to us is to not go there.

Thank you very much. I'm sure that is true, but, like chicken soup, it couldn't hurt! And, who knows at what point (the million and first letter?) that they could decide they are losing money, and what with the bad economy and all....

I'm reminded of Jesus parable about importunity:
Luk 18:2 Saying, There was in a city a judge, which feared not God, neither regarded man:
Luk 18:3 And there was a widow in that city; and she came unto him, saying, Avenge me of mine adversary.
Luk 18:4 And he would not for a while: but afterward he said within himself, Though I fear not God, nor regard man;
Luk 18:5 Yet because this widow troubleth me, I will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me.

At ~some~ point, they may get troubled as well!

Wayne

Shorts wrote:A while back we stopped going to the AMC theater and started going to Southlake instead. Movie tickets are cheaper too, by a buck.

Go to the Tinseltown off 114 in Grapevine, $2 cheaper than Southlake

When I was working security at Grapevine Mills I would have given a thumbs up to anyone I knew was carrying (and so would all of my officers). Unfortunately, when Simon bought them out they changed security companies from one which actually had a Christian foundation (Valor Security) to one that has far more interest in in their image than actual performance (IPC). I quit shortly after the change. Since Simon bought them out the whole place has gone downhill anyway. Heck, it was a pretty lousy mall in the first place

MadMonkey wrote:

Shorts wrote:A while back we stopped going to the AMC theater and started going to Southlake instead. Movie tickets are cheaper too, by a buck.

Go to the Tinseltown off 114 in Grapevine, $2 cheaper than Southlake

Yeppers. That's where we always go. It's not more than 5 minutes from my house, and it's literally right next door to my church, so we can go to church, get something to eat, and see a movie — all without moving the car.

Since Simon bought them out the whole place has gone downhill anyway. Heck, it was a pretty lousy mall in the first place

Yeah, I went in there a couple of times at the request of either my wife or son before I got my CHL, but then I put my foot down and said never again. I'd rather have my toes pounded flat with a mallet while undergoing a root canal than to go in there again. The last time I was in there was probably 6 or 8 months before I got my CHL. I hate malls in general anyway; but I most particularly hate malls that do not regard me to be as trustworthy as some gang bangin dirtbag in a wife beater.

But here's the thing... When you bar people who are known to be good guys from entering your facility, you run your business into the ground in the long run. As far as I am concerned, Grapevine Mills management can go hang themselves.

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You know what the problem is? Most people are pigs. They just go to the cheapest, easiest feeding trough. Yes, it is harder to do the right thing, but if it's harder to do, chances are they won't do it. I don't buy stuff made in China. It is made with slave labor. My cousin was in a gulag (prison) and he was forced to sew clothes 16 hours a day, every day. They then sell these clothes to other factories. Westerners ousource production to these other factories "not knowing" that these factories did NOT produce their own product. These factories bought their product from gulags. The fact is, Wally Mart, Victoria's Hidden and other big retailers KNOW their product comes from gulags, but they choose to ignore it and the liberal news media (propaganda machine) choose not to report it so they could keep raking in advertising dollars. The consumers, even those in the know, choose to buy these items anyway because it is cheaper and easier to buy foreign. You might be surprised to find that a year from now you won't even remember the buck you saved at Wally Mart from buying slave labor made stuff, but you WILL feel the pinch when your neighbors couldn't afford your goods/services because they lost their job due to foreign outsourcing. PLEASE, I invite you to do the right thing this holliday season by shopping only at non-30.06 posted malls and buying domestic products, preferably made in Texas (but at least made in the USA). Make sure your friends and family are with the program, too. Thanks.

P.S. I invite you to quit making sorry excuses to be lazy. If peaceful protests and letter writing didn't work, then Nelson Mandela would still be rotting in a South African jail and blacks would still have to sit at the back of the bus. Get off your hineys and write 'em letters, y'all! If y'all wanna do a peaceful open holster protest at Grapevine Mills, I'll buy the free pizza. You must also wear red/white/and blue clothes or a T-shirt with a slogan. PM me and I'll arrange it.

drjoker wrote:If y'all wanna do a peaceful open holster protest at Grapevine Mills, I'll buy the free pizza.

The only problem there is that's the only time I would go there in the first place