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Armed Travellers Must Be Locked in Boxes

Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:56 pm
by Kythas
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12 ... latestnews

Because of a typo, President Obama signed a bill into law Wednesday that requires passengers who carry firearms aboard Amtrak be locked in boxes for their journey

Harry Houdini made a career escaping from locked boxes. So did David Copperfield and Doug Henning.

And now, add to that list Amtrak passengers packing heat in their luggage?

It may sound absurd. But President Obama signed a bill into law Wednesday that requires passengers who carry firearms aboard Amtrak be locked in boxes for their journey.

It's a mistake in the law's wording. But for now, the clerical error is the law of the land.

Earlier this week, Congress sent the president a massive spending bill that funded dozens of federal departments. Tucked into the transportation section of the legislation are safety requirements for Amtrak customers who carry firearms on board the government-backed train system. The bill Congress passed mandates that passengers with firearms declare they have weapons with them in advance and stow them in locked boxes while on the train.

The bill text was correct when the House approved the legislation last week. The Senate followed suit Sunday, but somewhere along the line, the language that referred to putting the guns in locked boxes morphed into stuffing "passengers" into locked boxes.

Aides to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., became aware of the problem Wednesday night as the House voted on its final slate of bills for the year. Pelosi's staff tried to negotiate with Republican aides to see if they would agree to change the text of the bill without revoking the entire piece of legislation. But it was all for naught as Obama had already signed the measure into law.

It's clear the typo alters the legislation's mandate. But no one quite knows the origin of the mistake.

Senior Congressional sources familiar with the error suggested the problem may have been introduced in the "enrolling" process of bills. Once both the House and Senate approve the final version of a bill, the text of the legislation is sent to an "enrolling clerk" who actually copies the bill onto parchment paper. The parchment version of the package is then sent to the White House for the president to sign into law.

Another theory is that the mistake could be something as simple as a printing error. The House and Senate run multiple versions of bills before they send the final copy to the White House to become law. Another possibility is that Congress sent President Obama the wrong, non-proofed version of the bill to sign.

The misfire is fixable. But probably not until early next year. The House late Wednesday completed what it expects to be its final session of the year. The Senate remains in session debating health care reform. But both the House and Senate would have to agree to a technical correction of the text that missed its mark.

The error is reminiscent of $289 billion farm bill President Bush vetoed in May, 2008. In that instance, both houses of Congress inadvertently sent Bush an incomplete bill, leaving out a 35-page chunk. The president then vetoed an incomplete bill. Congress discovered the error when lawmakers attempted to override the president's veto.

In that case, House re-passed the entire farm bill and overrode Bush's veto.

"This bill is one of the most-passed bills we've done," House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., quipped at the time.

The rules to allow Amtrak passengers to carry weapons with them are new. Airline passengers have long been permitted to transport weapons in checked luggage. But Amtrak banned firearms from its trains after Sept. 11. Only police officers are now allowed to board Amtrak trains with guns.

Rep. John Fleming and Sen. Roger Wicker, both Mississippi Republicans, are the primary advocates of the Amtrak gun provision.

Re: Armed Travellers Must Be Locked in Boxes

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:38 am
by ELB
As Instapundit often notes,"The country is in the best of hands..." :shock:

Re: Armed Travellers Must Be Locked in Boxes

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:45 am
by Mike1951
Alright!! We need an Amtrak passenger. Any volunteers?

Unbelieveable!!!!

Re: Armed Travellers Must Be Locked in Boxes

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:43 am
by AEA
Just imagine what's in the 2000+ Page Health Care Reform Bill! After all, no one has read it, so even they would not know........

Wonder if there is a total & complete BAN on all privately owned guns (both rifles and handguns) by Citizens of the United States? :shock: :banghead:

OK maybe not that drastic? How about a total BAN on all handgun and rifle ammunition since LEAD is poisonous and they want to make sure the new Health Bill address this LEAD problem! :rules: :???: :shock:

Re: Armed Travellers Must Be Locked in Boxes

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:57 am
by Mike1951
I was just trying to conceive what a task it must be to transcribe 2000+ pages to parchment!

With regards to Amtrak, what will happen? It's such a preposterous condition, as written, will Amtrak change their policy based on the intent of the bill or will handguns continue to be completely banned?

Or will there be an emergency correction?

Opinions??

Re: Armed Travellers Must Be Locked in Boxes

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 4:11 am
by AEA
Mike1951 wrote:I was just trying to conceive what a task it must be to transcribe 2000+ pages to parchment!
:smilelol5: :smilelol5: Gotta be a "App" for that! :smilelol5: :smilelol5:

Re: Armed Travellers Must Be Locked in Boxes

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 4:16 am
by Mike1951
Anyone else picture monks in a monastery?

Re: Armed Travellers Must Be Locked in Boxes

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:16 pm
by RPB
"The misfire is fixable. But probably not until early next year."

Ok, will design a new holster with belt clips, covered by a locked styrofoam box for when this is corrected.
Until then, I need air holes in my box please.

Re: Armed Travellers Must Be Locked in Boxes

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 4:04 pm
by bpet
I'm thinking that Amtrak will now (because it is law after all) have to have a specially designed lockable car for passengers wanting to carry their firearms while on the train. I would suggest that any would be train robbers bone up on what that car looks like and avoid it at all costs. I can just imagine what the conversations of morning commuters with access to this car would be like. Would seem to me to be pretty easy to come up with a decent subject to start a conversation even with a total stranger. :shock:

Re: Armed Travellers Must Be Locked in Boxes

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 4:40 pm
by RPB
Mike1951 wrote:I was just trying to conceive what a task it must be to transcribe 2000+ pages to parchment!

With regards to Amtrak, what will happen? It's such a preposterous condition, as written, will Amtrak change their policy based on the intent of the bill or will handguns continue to be completely banned?

Or will there be an emergency correction?

Opinions??
Handguns weren't banned for LEO ...

If not fixed, wouldn't the result be: Handguns are not banned for Police Officers, but the Officers must now be locked in a box?

Re: Armed Travellers Must Be Locked in Boxes

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:06 pm
by C-dub
Aren't the train cars locked when the train is moving? So, we're good to go then, right? They probably won't see it my way.

Re: Armed Travellers Must Be Locked in Boxes

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:20 pm
by The Annoyed Man
These are the same folks who are too arrogant to read the Cap and Trade and Healthcare Destruction bills. Anyone beginning to wonder what's in there?

It really is time fire every last one of them and elect some adults to run things for a while.

Re: Armed Travellers Must Be Locked in Boxes

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:59 pm
by Shorts
Will I get charged full fare or is it like the airlines, $20 a bag :biggrinjester:

Re: Armed Travellers Must Be Locked in Boxes

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 11:10 am
by joe817
Shorts wrote:Will I get charged full fare or is it like the airlines, $20 a bag :biggrinjester:
:smilelol5:

Re: Armed Travellers Must Be Locked in Boxes

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 11:44 pm
by srothstein
i think I would rather pay the passenger fare than the freight on a box containing anything my weight, especially me.