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Many of you may already know this story, A fellow brother of our had a accidental discharge resulting in the poplital artery being severed. This artery connects to the femoral artery and continues down the leg. You can bleed out in just a few minute. A tourniquet was applied properly and saved his life.

After taking a course on battlefield medicine from Gabe Suarez I urge everyone to get trained up and posses the ability to administer life saving techniques. I carry a small med pack with me in my vehicles and a large med pack when out at the range, but just carry a tourniquet and maybe some gauze and bloodstopper on you for a minimum.

I have no detail of the AD so don't ask,

Our prayers go out to Bruce

Bill,

Sorry about your friend's mishap, but the correct terminology is Negligent Discharge. Unless the gun jumped up and started shooting all on it's own someone was negligent.

My paryers are with Bruce and his family.

MoJo wrote:Bill,

Sorry about your friend's mishap, but the correct terminology is Negligent Discharge. Unless the gun jumped up and started shooting all on it's own someone was negligent.

Since, it was given to me as Accidental discharge and I have no facts involving the mishap I will leave it as such, being mindful of a brother who is down but not out.

Bill wrote:

MoJo wrote:Bill,

Sorry about your friend's mishap, but the correct terminology is Negligent Discharge. Unless the gun jumped up and started shooting all on it's own someone was negligent.

Sense, it was given to me as Accidental discharge and I have no facts involving the mishap I will leave it as such, being mindful of a brother who is down but not out.

Absolutely right, Bill. Until details are know anything is an assumption.

CompVest wrote:

Bill wrote:

MoJo wrote:Bill,

Sorry about your friend's mishap, but the correct terminology is Negligent Discharge. Unless the gun jumped up and started shooting all on it's own someone was negligent.

Sense, it was given to me as Accidental discharge and I have no facts involving the mishap I will leave it as such, being mindful of a brother who is down but not out.

Absolutely right, Bill. Until details are know anything is an assumption.

Glad that first aid was successful and the patient will live.

I'm with MoJo on this one. It could well have been an AD up to the point that it hit somebody.

If the AD was pointed at somebodies leg, it just became an ND.

Any word on the condition of the leg? Tourniquets are a good alternative to bleeding out, but they tend to be rough on the limb they're applied to.

Be careful in training; if you break your friends, you can't play with them anymore.

That is were the training comes to play, you can make a tourniquet out of most anything but that does not make it effective and safe, although I would rather have some muscle damage or tissue damage as apposed to death.

here is a good little article by a very experienced author not just a theorist
http://www.chinookmed.com/TheTacticalEdgeMadsenNTOA.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

KD5NRH wrote:Any word on the condition of the leg? Tourniquets are a good alternative to bleeding out, but they tend to be rough on the limb they're applied to.

Be careful in training; if you break your friends, you can't play with them anymore.

There is an update from him in this arfcom thread. I think there are other updates scattered throughout that same thread. (I don't know the guy, just passing along what I saw on the other forum)

The SF medic that gave us our training considered tourniquets a nasty but necessary evil

As others have said, tourniquets are a last ditch effort when it is a decision between loss of life or loss of limb. In this case the choice was obvious, and thank goodness there was someone who had the knowledge and kept a cool head to apply the tourniquet.

As a former First Responder instructor, having the basic skills to keep a person alive in those critical minutes between injury and medical care arriving is crucial to survival. Too many people just don't know what to do in those cases, or freeze up when they should be reacting and let those seconds tick on away someone's life.

I am glad to see that Bruce posted a response on the AR forum. That is a good sign he is heading for a good recovery. Please keep us updated on his status, and when you can, please post additional details. His misfortune in this case can be a great reminder and learning tool for the rest of us.

I went and read the OP on Ar15.com He was shot by a M1919 that had been taken off a truck and still wrapped in a cover of some type. The gun was not pointed downrange when it discharged. It has all the earmarks of an ND to me.

Here's a link to the OP http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b ... 620&page=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

MoJo wrote:I went and read the OP on Ar15.com He was shot by a M1919 that had been taken off a truck and still wrapped in a cover of some type. The gun was not pointed downrange when it discharged. It has all the earmarks of an ND to me.

Here's a link to the OP http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b ... 620&page=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I must be getting old. A M1919? Isn't that a .30 cal MG?

Purplehood wrote:

MoJo wrote:I went and read the OP on Ar15.com He was shot by a M1919 that had been taken off a truck and still wrapped in a cover of some type. The gun was not pointed downrange when it discharged. It has all the earmarks of an ND to me.

Here's a link to the OP http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b ... 620&page=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I must be getting old. A M1919? Isn't that a .30 cal MG?

Yessir it is. Throws it into a whole different light doesn't it? Not diminishing the victims injuries and his pain and suffering but I can hear the "Texas Hammer" and the "Strong Arm'' revving up for a negligence suit.