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You see these tiny .380s with that wimpy little round but you cant find nearly as many 9mm that are the same size. Not to mention you cant find 380 anywhere! And 9mm is much cheaper and more plentiful.

marksiwel wrote:You see these tiny .380s with that wimpy little round but you cant find nearly as many 9mm that are the same size. Not to mention you cant find 380 anywhere! And 9mm is much cheaper and more plentiful.

Oh, I don't know about that. Here are 23 that fit the bill, and there's more....that came out after this webpage was created:

http://www.best9mm.com/compact9mm.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Until higher capacity magazines were banned in '94, there was no demand for them. Those who could carry chose full size handguns.

A magazine capacity of ten made the full size models less desirable. This, coupled with the spread of newly legal concealed carry, was the incentive for development of compact handguns.

So, if you consider that the compacts have developed over less than 20 years, we actually have a good selection.

I'd like to see a 9mm 1911 that is scaled down overall, like a slightly larger Colt .380 Govt.
I have an EMP, it's a great gun, but I'd like one that is proportioned like the original 1911 5".
Perhaps a Sig P238 with a 1/2" long barrel and grip

You should check out the Rohrbach R9S. Simply the smallest and finest pocket none on the planet. Pricy, though.

Rex B wrote:I'd like to see a 9mm 1911 that is scaled down overall, like a slightly larger Colt .380 Govt.
I have an EMP, it's a great gun, but I'd like one that is proportioned like the original 1911 5".
Perhaps a Sig P238 with a 1/2" long barrel and grip

Considering that the maximum overall cartridge length for the 9mm is around 1.169", a 1/2" barrel might not be enough to take advantage of what the 9mm has to offer.

marksiwel wrote:You see these tiny .380s with that wimpy little round but you cant find nearly as many 9mm that are the same size.

.380 ACP pressure is 22,000 psi
9x19mm pressure is up to 34,000 psi

joe817 wrote:

marksiwel wrote:You see these tiny .380s with that wimpy little round but you cant find nearly as many 9mm that are the same size. Not to mention you cant find 380 anywhere! And 9mm is much cheaper and more plentiful.

Oh, I don't know about that. Here are 23 that fit the bill, and there's more....that came out after this webpage was created:

http://www.best9mm.com/compact9mm.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Nice list, bookmarked! Thanks for posting.

joe817 wrote: Oh, I don't know about that. Here are 23 that fit the bill, and there's more....that came out after this webpage was created:

http://www.best9mm.com/compact9mm.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Walther PPS and other single stacks are out there too
AND
MORE new ones will be out soon too
Like the Bersa BP9CC
and the 7 ounce Microtech Archangel MCP 9mm

Rex B wrote:I'd like to see a 9mm 1911 that is scaled down overall, like a slightly larger Colt .380 Govt.
I have an EMP, it's a great gun, but I'd like one that is proportioned like the original 1911 5".
Perhaps a Sig P238 with a 1/2" long barrel and grip

The STI Rogue might be just the ticket...it's an Officer's size 1911, (actually, the grip-frame is even a little shorter than the Colt New Agent size), 3" bull barrel, aluminum frame, steel where it should be. Not *quite* pocket gun, but easy to carry, lightweight, easy to conceal, and shoots like a dream.

Solid and reliable as a 1911 should be.

I carry a CZ 2075 RAMI in 9mm. It also comes in .40 S&W. The latter harder to find at the moment

Certainly not a pocket gun. But, 3 in barrel, light alloy frame. Here's a link.

http://cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-2075-rami-bd/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; the decocker, factory nites, edition
http://cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-2075-rami/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; the manual safety, cocked and locked model
http://cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-2075-rami-p/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; the polymer of the above, but has ambi safety

While not cheap. I've never heard anyone paying the MSRP. I didn't.

Anyhow, I love it. Easy for me to conceal. I'm 6-2, 205. Carry IWB 4-5 oclock.

Just thought I'd put out my example of "sub-compact" 9mm.

It's just harder to build a tiny 9mm than it is a .380. The only currently available easily pocketable 9mms are the Rorbaugh, Kahr PM9/MK9, and possibly the KT PF9. I have not personally tried to pocket the Keltec, but I assume it's about as pocketable as the Kahr. The Rorbaugh is the smallest and costs over a grand so I don't have one. I sold a Keltec P11 because I couldn't quite pocket carry it comfortably. I ended up with the PM9 and am very pleased with it. I considered the KT PF9, but it is not available with night sights.

I'm sure there will be more small 9mms available in the future, but for all the reasons the previous posters mentioned there aren't very many truly small ones right now.

Just a little more about the STI Rogue.

The STI Rogue is smaller than the EMP. It will easily fit any place a person would carry a snubby and it's very narrow. The barrel is fully supported. It's length is 6" and weighs 21 oz. Everything has been smoothed and rounded to allow pocket carry. Not a mouse but is it a bug.

marksiwel wrote:You see these tiny .380s with that wimpy little round

So,I take it you're the first volunteer to take 6 of those "wimpy little rounds" to center mass to prove your "opinion"?
JL

jlangton wrote:

marksiwel wrote:You see these tiny .380s with that wimpy little round

So,I take it you're the first volunteer to take 6 of those "wimpy little rounds" to center mass to prove your "opinion"?
JL

Lets play nice now. We all know that with the current .380 shortage no one has 6 rounds to begin with.

We should also point out the Kahr minis and Walther PPS are pretty much the same size as a Bersa. I've not shot a Kahr, but I have shot a friend's Walther PPS and man it spoke to me. It was a natural "point and shoot" dead center accurate with no noticeable recoil and brilliant sights for someone with bad vision.