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I still keep coming to the same conclusion in my mind. If someone has a gun drawn on you, I can only assume that they have already decided if they'll pull the trigger or not, regardless of if I cooperate. I would rathar get shot trying to defend myself, than just standing there.

I'm interested to see what others think.

Question can't be answered with the limited info. If close enough, disarm. If far enough, move to cover and engage. Distractions are your friend.

gigag04 wrote:Question can't be answered with the limited info. If close enough, disarm. If far enough, move to cover and engage. Distractions are your friend.

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In all Seriousness. It depends, it depends, it depends.

Are they pointing at you, is it at their side, finger on the trigger? what kind of mood are they in? Yelling, Calm, crying, red face? Why do they have a gun on you? Robbing you, Got the drop on you, found you in their house with their wife, why?
How far away are they, where is your gun? Can you get to it easily, what are you wearing that could get in the way, what kind of gun do you have on you?
SO many questions.
You might be better standing still giving them your wallet/keys/whatever and they will go on their way, or you might be better running like you never ran before, sometimes you might take the chance of pulling a gun and seeing what happens, other times its best to rush them and get the gun out of their hand (not often but sometimes)
It all depends, go to a place that practices such things

You call on higher power, draw your True Dragon Blade and execute a blinding ultimate technique. Ryu Hayabusa:

Personally, I would not.

However, in our Tae Kwon Do training, we were always taught that if we were being mugged, to take our wallet/purse and throw it behind the mugger. Then when they turn around, you run. It might be a chicken move, but armed vs unarmed you use that to save your life. Now, armed vs armed? I can see using that as a distraction move to draw.

7075-T7 wrote:I still keep coming to the same conclusion in my mind. If someone has a gun drawn on you, I can only assume that they have already decided if they'll pull the trigger or not, regardless of if I cooperate. I would rathar get shot trying to defend myself, than just standing there.

Offhand, this doesn't sound like a good plan. Let us know how it works out for you.

Beiruty wrote:You call on higher power, draw your True Dragon Blade and execute a blinding ultimate technique. Ryu Hayabusa:

Izuna drop would be better.

I know it all depends on the situation at hand. so I'll explain the situation I'm thinking of

I have my 1911, 4:00, iwb, under a untucked shirt. Ghoul is 5-8ft. away with pistol drawn demanding my wallet or they'll shoot. No immediate cover or good route of escape. My train of thought is that I've got to reach back there anyway to get my wallet, so the motion to get back there is expected.

I figure if they're already intent on shooting you, throwing your wallet at them isn't going to help the situation. The problem is you don't know the difference in the person who is going to shoot and who is not going to shoot.

The problem is you don't know the difference in the person who is going to shoot and who is not going to shoot.

You don't need to know, and must assume that since they are threatening with deadly force(because gun is drawn on you), then they willshoot you, and you have every right to protect yourself, even responding with deadly force.

Trying to second guess someone who's drawn down on you can be fatal to you.

joe817 wrote:You don't need to know, and must assume that since they are threatening with deadly force(because gun is drawn on you), then they willshoot you, and you have every right to protect yourself, even responding with deadly force.

Trying to second guess someone who's drawn down on you can be fatal to you.

This is exactly my point, if they already have shown the intent, then screaming like a little girl retreat or drawing seems the only options.

7075-T7 wrote:

joe817 wrote:You don't need to know, and must assume that since they are threatening with deadly force(because gun is drawn on you), then they willshoot you, and you have every right to protect yourself, even responding with deadly force. Trying to second guess someone who's drawn down on you can be fatal to you.

This is exactly my point, if they already have shown the intent, then screaming like a little girl retreat or drawing seems the only options.

Yup, I agree.

You better be moving when you draw or you will be dead. If someone has the gun pointed at you, it would probably be better to wait to see if something distracts the BG or throw your wallet down so they have to bend over or back to pick it up and then draw. The reality is that you can not out draw a drawn gun.

Having said that if I think the BG is going to kill me anyway, I would rather try to take him down with me than simply letting him kill me. The hard thing is how do you determine that the BG is going to kill you anyway. There are a lot of factors that go into that and I have to admit I am not sure I would recognize most of them. However if the BG wants me to get in a vehicle, go into a back room, turn around, get down on my knees, etc., I am assuming they are going to kill me and I am going to be moving and drawing.

http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/co ... 2010/203/1
Just came across this link regarding action vs reaction times. Reaction seems to be quicker ... not implying anything, just thought it was semi-relevant.

Video has a single not-safe-for-kids word, but this is a classic demonstration of drawing against gunpoint. Tom Cruise in Collateral:

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chabouk wrote:Video has a single not-safe-for-kids word, but this is a classic demonstration of drawing against gunpoint. Tom Cruise in Collateral:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmKR6evZRQQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Excellent training video. But it takes practice to do it. Thanks for posting chabouk.

The Collateral clip is interesting. Watch the perp on the right throughout. As soon as Vincent knocks the gun out of the left-perps hand, the right-perp starts to pull his gun from his waistband. He never actually gets it out even though he struggles with it theatrically for a couple of seconds, and only because he has read the script and knows how the Director wants this to go down on tape. In real life, he would've had that gun out already, or would've pulled it out pretty swifty and shot Vincent while Vincent was double-tapping the guy that had just had the gun knocked out of his hand.

Nevertheless, a great film, actors, director and clip :-)

With the scenario you stated, the perp is already 1 second ahead of you with any move you make. Your only option is to comply until a) the threat disappears (and hope that it does, even if along with your wallet) or b) until there is an opening you can leverage created by a diversion (if you have the guts, and presence of mind) or by the perp's inattention.

If it comes to b) assume you are still likely to get shot as the perp is still likely to be able to follow through on his ability to shoot even if you pressed your trigger a moment before. For me, option b) is only viable for when I *know* that I, or a family member, are on the cusp of being harmed - a lot depends here on reading the perp and deciding if he is a professional robber out for an easy grab 'n run or a gangbanger out to impress his buddies...

Tough one - I hope I'm never in that situation :-(