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80-year old Chicago man kills armed home invader

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 8:45 pm
by fickman
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/26/ye ... e-invader/
80-Year-Old Chicago Man Kills Armed Home Invader
Published May 26, 2010

An 80-year-old Chicago man shot and killed an armed man who broke into his two-story house in a pre-dawn home invasion Wednesday on the city's West Side.

At about 5:20 a.m., the homeowner and his wife, also in her 80s, discovered the intruder entering their home through a back door. The homeowner, who had a gun, confronted and killed the burglar on the doorstep, police said. Cops said the intruder also fired his gun during the struggle.

"It's a good thing they had a gun, or they might be dead," said Curtis Thompson, who lives next door to the couple, the Chicago Sun-Times reported.

Neighbors described the elderly couple, who both walk with canes, as pillars of the community in Garfield Park, where home invasions have been all too frequent.

Their neighbor, Shaquite Johnson, told MyFoxChicago that the two are "heroes" for fighting off the attacker — and that the shooting means there is "one less criminal" walking the streets.
"They don't bother no one, so why would anyone do that to them?" she said.

Relatives of the couple told the Sun Times that the man is an Army veteran, his wife a former nurse. Police said neither the man nor the woman was injured in the attack.

The assailant, who was described by police as being in his 30s, was found slumped on the back doorstep of the couple's house, removed four hours after the shooting, the Sun Times reported.

No charges have been filed against the homeowner, but Chicago currently has a statute outlawing the possession of handguns. Its legality is currently being decided by the U.S. Supreme Court.

A high-profile Chicago attorney has already stepped forward offering to represent the man pro bono if he faces charges for possessing a weapon.

"Self-defense isn't just a right, it's a duty," said attorney Joel Brodsky. "If this man is prosecuted for saving his own life it's not just a travesty, it's justice turned inside out."
Interesting how circumstances can sway public opinion. . . even in Chicago. I'm curious to see what happens here. I bet if the DA is stupid enough to pursue charges, the city's population might change their opinion about guns in the home for self defense overnight given that this was an elderly man, a veteran, and that the invader was armed.

Re: 80-year old Chicago man kills armed home invader

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 8:53 pm
by Beiruty
Is the BG charged with clear violation of guns law? He was carrying a handgun, no? Regardless he is worm food now. Feed the worms.

Re: 80-year old Chicago man kills armed home invader

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 8:55 pm
by seamusTX
Even Illinois has a castle doctrine. They also have a state law saying that someone who uses a weapon in justified self defense cannot be prosecuted for technical weapons violations (other than federal felon-in-possession, which the state can do nothing about).

I will bet the best lunch in town that the guy will not be prosecuted. Mayor Daley does not want another test case. The defender's weapon will disappear into the Black Hole of Evidence, and you won't hear anything more.

I am hoping the Illinois State Rifle Association sets up fund to provide him with a new shotgun, but they have not yet done so.

- Jim

Re: 80-year old Chicago man kills armed home invader

Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 9:21 am
by HighHandicap
seamusTX wrote:Even Illinois has a castle doctrine. They also have a state law saying that someone who uses a weapon in justified self defense cannot be prosecuted for technical weapons violations (other than federal felon-in-possession, which the state can do nothing about).

I will bet the best lunch in town that the guy will not be prosecuted. Mayor Daley does not want another test case. The defender's weapon will disappear into the Black Hole of Evidence, and you won't hear anything more.

I am hoping the Illinois State Rifle Association sets up fund to provide him with a new shotgun, but they have not yet done so.

- Jim
I'd be willing to donate some money for a new weapon for the GG in this case! If the city police are going to violate his RKBA and confiscate his pistol, then we should all send him $5 so he can buy a new shotgun or something!

Re: 80-year old Chicago man kills armed home invader

Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 10:00 am
by seamusTX
No charges pending at this time:
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/me ... s-20100527" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

BTW, nowhere did I see mention of a handgun. Shotguns and rifles are generally legal in Chicago, except that the county has the equivalent of the expired federal "assault weapons ban," and people who owned registered handguns before 1982 can legally possess them. The defender is plenty old enough to fall into that category. I knew someone who qualified until he died in 1995 (RIP).

P.S.: Off-topic but weird:
Parolee Anthony Woods was arrested by Chicago police for the 38th time on Tuesday night -- this time for locking a pit bull in his trunk and possession of a dangerous dog by a felon.
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/me ... s-20100526" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ah, my birthplace, I miss it so much. :smilelol5:

- Jim

Re: 80-year old Chicago man kills armed home invader

Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 3:38 pm
by fickman
seamusTX wrote:BTW, nowhere did I see mention of a handgun.
I agree. . . I assumed it was a handgun when the reporter added the parts about the law and an attorney volunteered to defend the GG if he was charged. Those facts would not have been germane if he used a long gun - although we've seen bigger non sequitors from journalists before.

Re: 80-year old Chicago man kills armed home invader

Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 4:17 pm
by seamusTX
Even people who live in Chicago are confused about what is legal and not. I have mostly lost track myself. I moved out of the city (coincidentally) just before they passed the handgun ban in 1982.

The lawyer bought himself bargain-rate publicity, even if he does have to defend the man at trial. I'm not criticizing him for it -- he's a smart cookie, and he is offering to do a good deed.

P.S.: It's ironic that the TV station shows a photo of the defender's home with the address quite visible, just in case the dead creep's buddies want to take revenge and have trouble using Google maps.

The Examiner is a collection of freelance writers and stringers that sometimes play a little fast and loose, but because of that they also publish information that other news sources do not. This one says that the defender had a handgun:
http://www.examiner.com/x-2879-Austin-G ... ce-charges" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You can tell Mayor Daley is upset when he starts speaking his native Chicagoese instead of English. He said, "guns is not the answer." I guess that's why his bodyguards carry nerf bats and feather dusters.

- Jim

Re: 80-year old Chicago man kills armed home invader

Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 7:03 pm
by C-dub
BG is dead. Can he be charged with anything in this condition?

edited: Sorry Beiruty. I didn't finish reading the rest of your one line post. :oops:

Re: 80-year old Chicago man kills armed home invader

Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 7:11 pm
by seamusTX
Under U.S. law, a dead person cannot be charged with a crime. That kind of thing went out of fashion right about when they quit burning witches.

- Jim

Re: 80-year old Chicago man kills armed home invader

Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 7:42 pm
by C-dub
seamusTX wrote:Under U.S. law, a dead person cannot be charged with a crime. That kind of thing went out of fashion right about when they quit burning witches.

- Jim
I didn't think so and only asked because I misread and didn't completely read a couple of posts.

Re: 80-year old Chicago man kills armed home invader

Posted: Sun May 30, 2010 1:49 pm
by stevie_d_64
Chicago...



It is a difficult concept...

Re: 80-year old Chicago man kills armed home invader

Posted: Sun May 30, 2010 4:44 pm
by Liberty
seamusTX wrote:Under U.S. law, a dead person cannot be charged with a crime. That kind of thing went out of fashion right about when they quit burning witches.

- Jim
Seems as if they can vote in Chicago they should be to be charged with crimes.

Re: 80-year old Chicago man kills armed home invader

Posted: Sun May 30, 2010 5:23 pm
by sjfcontrol
Liberty wrote:
seamusTX wrote:Under U.S. law, a dead person cannot be charged with a crime. That kind of thing went out of fashion right about when they quit burning witches.

- Jim
Seems as if they can vote in Chicago they should be to be charged with crimes.
:smilelol5: :txflag:

Re: 80-year old Chicago man kills armed home invader

Posted: Sun May 30, 2010 5:50 pm
by seamusTX
Hey, Texas history has some episodes of ghost voters and missing ballot boxes. I'm sure it's all in the past.

Texas is also a record for a person shooting himself five times ruled a suicide (see Billy Sol Estes).

- Jim