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If an unposted mall has a store in it that is posted (most definetly not conspicuously, but I digress), how does that work if you were "made?"

I know someone who works in this store and would like to carry. If it were me, I'd probably carry anyways, but I'm interested in the forum's opinions. I don't think anyone should be kept from carrying to and from the car when they are sometimes leaving work at 9, 10, and 11pm.

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I guess by, "how does it work," I mean is it legit? If you can legally carry all they way into a building, through at least 50 stores, and then a sign is posted near a store with a opening (not a door) about 15ft wide prohibiting you from entering property not owned by them, only rented. Also, where are you supposed to put the gun? If you are in a building that permits carry, shouldn't you be provided with storage if you are required to go into the one room you're not permitted to carry in?

Doesn't seem to make much sense I guess, but neither does any other 30.06 sign.

Depending upon the wording of the lease contract between the mall owner and the store, a tenant may or may not be able to post and/or enforce a valid 30.06 sign. In all likelihood, the store has the authority to post a sign in their individual store.

If so, then any armed CHL entering the store (including employees) can be arrested and prosecuted for trespass by a licenseholder. Whether or not an officer would make the arrest without first having the store owner tell the CHL to leave and the CHL refusing is a different matter.

Chas.

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Well I finally got said person to measure said sign text at said store at said mall.

11mm.

That's a good enough out for me.

trig wrote:If an unposted mall has a store in it that is posted (most definetly not conspicuously, but I digress), how does that work if you were "made?"

I know someone who works in this store and would like to carry. If it were me, I'd probably carry anyways, but I'm interested in the forum's opinions. I don't think anyone should be kept from carrying to and from the car when they are sometimes leaving work at 9, 10, and 11pm.

I personally would not carry.

trig wrote:Well I finally got said person to measure said sign text at said store at said mall.

11mm.

That's a good enough out for me.

Are you saying the letters are not 1" tall or what? If that's the case, the sign may not be valid. In any event, you'll have plenty of time to ponder that question as you look for another job. Texas is a "fire at will" state.

Letters are not 1" tall.

I think most of us understand we could risk getting fired if we carry legally in a business where management would not approve.
We're adults here. Most of us have decided our personal safety trumps job security.

Rex B wrote:I think most of us understand we could risk getting fired if we carry legally in a business where management would not approve.
We're adults here. Most of us have decided our personal safety trumps job security.

Thank you.

This isn't just a risk of getting fired. Businesses that have "no guns" employee policies but no 30.06 sign can fire you for violating the policy, but you won't face criminal charges over it. Some people choose to carry in such places of employment and risk their jobs, due to some combination of believing they won't be made and believing the risks to self are more important than said job.

Carrying past a valid 30.06 sign at a place of employment is a different issue. It is comparable to carrying past any other validly posted 30.06 sign. I understand that those who posted in the thread said that this particular sign has letters less than 1/2" high and so they would choose to carry past it since it doesn't fulfill the statutory criteria for a valid sign. The comments led me to believe that outside that issue (if it had been 1" lettering) that it was being treated the same way as an employee weapons policy and not like it was being treated as a valid 30.06. I just wanted to make sure the distinction was clearly and unequivocally stated.

And as for a single store inside a mall posting a valid 30.06 sign, I don't see why they couldn't or wouldn't. Just because air conditioned hallways connect their store to other stores doesn't have any bearing on whether their individual entrance to a closed area couldn't be posted. The code clearly separates out parts of buildings, which is usually cited in favor of CHL holders in the case of courts being inside the same building as the water dept but that doesn't make the entire building off-limits. The same reasoning would be logical to apply to a store owner in the mall, assuming he had a right to post. He can legally exclude those parts of the building that he controls and a person can choose whether or not to work or patronize there. I don't see the controversy.

Rex B wrote:I think most of us understand we could risk getting fired if we carry legally in a business where management would not approve.
We're adults here. Most of us have decided our personal safety trumps job security.

Some people choose the other way, and that's their right. Each of us will live (or die) with the consequences of our own decisions.

jester wrote:

Rex B wrote:I think most of us understand we could risk getting fired if we carry legally in a business where management would not approve.
We're adults here. Most of us have decided our personal safety trumps job security.

Some people choose the other way, and that's their right. Each of us will live (or die) with the consequences of our own decisions.

Your landlord and other creditors, wife and children, parents, friends and neighbors will be proud of you for standing up for your "rights", even if it did cost you your job. SALUT!

I've been broke before. I made more money. I know several people who have done the same.

I've never been dead before, but I don't know many people who recover from that. Good luck!