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SFA: Arrested for "Place where Weapons Prohibited"
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:49 pm
by TexasComputerDude
I'm not saying some of these guys didn't deserve to be arrested but could I be arrested for this? I thought the most they could do is tell my school and have them expel me. Ive noticed an increased campus police presence and its only a matter of time before one of them stops me and asks to see my ID.
Thoughts anyone? btw, if you can't already tell I wasn't the one arrested.
05/02/2010 at approximately 2:25 am officers observed suspicious
activity on the first floor ramp of the Village Parking
Garage. Officer then identified five (5) suspects in and around a
vehicle. During the investigation, officers found a medicine pill
bottle containing dangerous drugs and a pistol in the trunk of the
car. One person was arrested and charged with Place where Weapons
Prohibited and Possession of a Dangerous Drug, two suspects were
arrested and charged with Possession of a Dangerous Drug, and two
suspects were arrested and charged with Public Intoxication.
Re: SFA: Arrested for "Place where Weapons Prohibited"
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:55 pm
by Hoi Polloi
Is this school housing? If it was in the trunk of a car in a parking garage, they weren't in a school building and it won't stick.
§ 46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED. (a) A person commits
an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly
possesses or goes with a firearm, illegal knife, club, or
prohibited weapon listed in Section 46.05(a):
(1) on the physical premises of a school or
educational institution, any grounds or building on which an
activity sponsored by a school or educational institution is being
conducted, or a passenger transportation vehicle of a school or
educational institution, whether the school or educational
institution is public or private, unless pursuant to written
regulations or written authorization of the institution;
...
(c) In this section:
(1) "Premises" has the meaning assigned by Section
46.035.
§ 46.035. (3) "Premises" means a building or a portion of a
building. The term does not include any public or private driveway,
street, sidewalk or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other
parking area.
Re: SFA: Arrested for "Place where Weapons Prohibited"
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:56 pm
by dicion
You're only allowed with 1000ft of a school if you have a CHL. If you do not have a CHL, simply being within 1000ft of a school zone with a handgun is illegal under federal law.
I don't think they violated 46.03 though, as Hoi pointed out. They were not on any Premiseses.....
I expect to see that charge probably dropped.
Re: SFA: Arrested for "Place where Weapons Prohibited"
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:58 pm
by TexasComputerDude
ok, thats much clearer. I'm pretty sure none of these guys have CHL's
Re: SFA: Arrested for "Place where Weapons Prohibited"
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:00 pm
by Hoi Polloi
dicion wrote:You're only allowed with 1000ft of a school if you have a CHL. If you do not have a CHL, simply being within 1000ft of a school zone with a handgun is illegal under federal law.
I don't see any such restriction in the state code. It says weapons aren't allowed on school premises, period. Then it says that premises doesn't include parking lots or parking garages, etc. Where do you see 1,000 ft in the state code? It's likely in another area like the education code where I'm not looking.
Re: SFA: Arrested for "Place where Weapons Prohibited"
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:01 pm
by dicion
Hoi Polloi wrote:dicion wrote:You're only allowed with 1000ft of a school if you have a CHL. If you do not have a CHL, simply being within 1000ft of a school zone with a handgun is illegal under federal law.
I don't see any such restriction in the state code. It says weapons aren't allowed on school premises, period. Then it says that premises doesn't include parking lots or parking garages, etc. Where do you see 1,000 ft in the state code? It's likely in another area like the education code where I'm not looking.
It's not state code, as I said, it's Federal law.
I don't think they violated any state code. The only firearms law in violation there is the Gun Free School Zone laws.
I expect the state code to be dropped, if the guy actually gives any decent attempt to dispute it.
Re: SFA: Arrested for "Place where Weapons Prohibited"
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:10 pm
by dicion
Reference:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/us ... -000-.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/922%28q%29.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
US Code TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 44 > § 921
§ 921. Definitions
...
(25) The term “school zone” means—
(A) in, or on the grounds of, a public, parochial or private school; or
(B) within a distance of 1,000 feet from the grounds of a public, parochial or private school.
US Code TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 44 > § 922
§ 922. Unlawful acts
(q)
(2)
(A) It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.
(B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the possession of a firearm—
(i) on private property not part of school grounds;
(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;
(The CHL Exemption)
(iii) that is—
(I) not loaded; and
(II) in a locked container, or a locked firearms rack that is on a motor vehicle;
(iv) by an individual for use in a program approved by a school in the school zone;
(v) by an individual in accordance with a contract entered into between a school in the school zone and the individual or an employer of the individual;
(vi) by a law enforcement officer acting in his or her official capacity; or
(vii) that is unloaded and is possessed by an individual while traversing school premises for the purpose of gaining access to public or private lands open to hunting, if the entry on school premises is authorized by school authorities.
So technically, you CAN have an unloaded weapon on school grounds without a CHL if it's in a "Locked Container" or "Locked Gun Rack"
If I was this guy's lawyer, and he was charged under federal law (which it doesn't sound like he is so far) I'd be arguing that the Trunk is a locked container. Of course, it would have to have not been loaded. There is no indication of that either way in the story.
Re: SFA: Arrested for "Place where Weapons Prohibited"
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:38 pm
by Hoi Polloi
I'm sorry. I thought when I quoted it that it said state and federal. Either you edited the post while I was typing or I am going a little cross-eyed and crazy. I'd put bets on the latter.

Re: SFA: Arrested for "Place where Weapons Prohibited"
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:48 pm
by flb_78
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Lopez" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Federal Gun Free School Zone was deemed to be unconstitutional in 1995.
Some states still have a state law that is similar, but there is no Federal law.
Re: SFA: Arrested for "Place where Weapons Prohibited"
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:22 pm
by RHenriksen
FLB, thank you very much for that link - fascinating reading. I'm glad to learn of that case, and equally disturbed that it's new to me!

Re: SFA: Arrested for "Place where Weapons Prohibited"
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:41 pm
by G26ster
The Gun Free School Zone still seems to be in 18 U.S.C. § 922, so I am confused now.
Re: SFA: Arrested for "Place where Weapons Prohibited"
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:15 am
by AJ80
G26ster wrote:
The Gun Free School Zone still seems to be in 18 U.S.C. § 922, so I am confused now.
I believe congress re-enacted the law and added something saying that the gun had to have moved between states or something like to try to get around the fact that a gun in a school zone has nothing to do with interstate commerce, although I have no idea how that extra bit of wording gets around that.
I'm sure someone will check or correct my facts.
Re: SFA: Arrested for "Place where Weapons Prohibited"
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 3:49 am
by KD5NRH
TexasComputerDude wrote:During the investigation, officers found a medicine pill
bottle containing dangerous drugs and a pistol in the trunk of the
car.
Must have been a big bottle to fit the pistol in there.
Re: SFA: Arrested for "Place where Weapons Prohibited"
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 4:49 am
by Grog
NAA .22lr

Re: SFA: Arrested for "Place where Weapons Prohibited"
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 6:16 am
by dicion
AJ80 wrote:
I believe congress re-enacted the law and added something saying that the gun had to have moved between states or something like to try to get around the fact that a gun in a school zone has nothing to do with interstate commerce, although I have no idea how that extra bit of wording gets around that.
I'm sure someone will check or correct my facts.
Indeed, they reenacted it, in the Gun Free School Zone Act of 1996, adding the interstate commerce clause to this line:
"(A) It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm
that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone."