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AndyC wrote:

drjoker wrote:This is how Obama will ban your guns and this is why he is pushing so hard for national health care. Read the following article from Britain with socialized medicine and gun bans:
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-New ... astic_Cups

Notice how they say that the reason for the ban is to save in health care costs. Since the government is paying for health care, they have a right to ban even glassware. That's how they banned guns in Great Britain. Wait... don't we have a 2nd Amendment? Well, the 2nd Amendment gives you the right to bear arms

Slight corrections:

The 2nd Amendment doesn't give us the right, it guarantees a pre-existing right. That may, on the face of it, sound like a minor difference, but it's critical.

Guns are not banned in Britain - handguns are, and they didn't really bother with any health arguments. They just said "Hand them in" and the people did.

drjoker wrote:It CAN happen here... if you let it. Remember Katrina!

Absolutely - never forget, never relax our vigilance

drjoker wrote:This is how Obama will ban your guns and this is why he is pushing so hard for national health care. Read the following article from Britain with socialized medicine and gun bans:
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-New ... astic_Cups

Notice how they say that the reason for the ban is to save in health care costs. Since the government is paying for health care, they have a right to ban even glassware. That's how they banned guns in Great Britain. Wait... don't we have a 2nd Amendment? Well, the 2nd Amendment gives you the right to bear arms, so it will still be legal for you to own guns, but you'd have to demonstrate a financial ability to pay for any gun injuries and not be a ward of the state. Remember, a couple years ago, there was a ban on riding motorcycles without a helmet? There was an exception for those who had 6 figures in a bank account set aside to pay for the cost of a motorcycle accident without a helmet. If you have gobs of cash, you may ride without a helmet. The same thing will go for guns. If you have gobs of cash, you may keep your guns. So, guns are only "regulated" (O.K. per SCOTUS) but not "banned". That means guns will be banned for the average person and only the rich will be able to afford to have guns.

This is how they do it in socialized countries. For example, in Hong Kong, China, you have to be a member of a gun club in order to get a license to own a handgun with NO ammo. Annual membership is $35,000.00 USD per year. In Japan, you have to take a 1 day class on gun safety once a month on a weekday. In other words, you have to be wealthy enough to be retired. Guns are also ridiculously expensive in Japan and the police chief must approve you as "honorable" enough (rich and generous to said police chief). Only 30 private citizens in Japan are wealthy enough to own handguns legally. You see the pattern? Guns aren't banned, but "regulated" out of the hands of ordinary citizens.

I invite you to vote this November and drive senior citizens to the polls if they cannot drive. I invite you to tell your friends and family to vote. Drive them if they are lazy. Offer to buy them lunch if they are cheap and lazy. Mail hand addressed letters to constituents of key campaigns (the O'Donnel campaign, for example). Use google maps and reverse lookup to get the addresses of people in these districts and mail them letters. Ask them to photocopy your letter and mail them to everyone they know. Mail them free bumper stickers. Suzanna Gratia Hupp (spearheaded the CHL law in TX as a member of congress) said that every bumper sticker equals 10 votes (per political studies)! Send emails to your friends and family. If we don't fight for our rights, we will be just like Britain, China, and Japan. It CAN happen here... if you let it. Remember Katrina!

Thank you and God bless,

Commander wrote:Government health insurance is not about insurance - it's about control.

Commander wrote: Government health insurance is not about insurance - it's about control.

jimlongley wrote:

While it pays to never relax our vigilance, I have to point out that the statement about helmet laws is wrong, and making inaccurate statements does nothing to support the cause, it actually detracts from it by reducing credibility.

drjoker wrote:

jimlongley wrote:

While it pays to never relax our vigilance, I have to point out that the statement about helmet laws is wrong, and making inaccurate statements does nothing to support the cause, it actually detracts from it by reducing credibility.

Sorry, my memory is a bit fuzzy on that. After a bit of google-fu, I found out that it was not "6 figures", but "$10,000 in medical benefits" (Title 7, subsection 3-5 of Title 7. Vehicles and Traffic. Subtitle G. Motorcycles and All-Terrain Vehicles. Chapter 661. Protective Headgear for Motorcycle Operators and passengers. Section 661.003. Offenses Relating to Not Wearing Protective Headgear) if you want to ride without a helmet.

Also, the membership fee I quoted was for one of the older, more established exclusive gun clubs in Hong Kong. There's actually a newer less expensive gun club, the China Gun Club that has a $2000.00 USD (roughly) annual membership fee. If you pay for a "lifetime" membership, then it is $15,000 USD (roughly). http://www.chinagunclub.com.hk/english/ ... r.htm.html As an ordinary citizen, you have to store your gun at the gun club, unless you are going to a match (with documents to prove it) at another club. If you are really rich and powerful, the police chief may issue a carry license. These are even more rare than legal civilian pistols in Japan.

Japanese gun laws: http://yarchive.net/gun/politics/japan_gun.html