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SB 354 vs HB 86?
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:18 pm
by terryg
I posted this reply in another thread but think it deserves a life of its own (and it needed a bump
):
maxlib wrote:Two NRA-Backed Measures Introduced in the Texas Senate!
The Texas Legislature convened this past Tuesday for the 2011 legislative session. Two NRA-backed measures have already been filed in the Texas Senate: SB 321 by State Senator Glenn Hegar (R-Katy), legislation prohibiting employers from enforcing policies against the storage of lawfully-owned firearms in employees' private motor vehicles parked at work, and SB 354 by State Senator Jeff Wentworth (R-San Antonio), a bill to allow Concealed Handgun Licenses to protect themselves on college and university campuses.
Those are two that I can think of off the top of my head. Cut and pasted from an e-mail I got from the NRA-ILA.
So, I wonder why the NRA-ILA chooses to support SB 354 over HB 86? I like HB 86 much better as there are no-exclusions for private institutions. But, I guess they fear that this may also make it harder to pass. Any other reasons anybody can see?
Re: SB 354 vs HB 86?
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:32 pm
by The Annoyed Man
Could it simply be that one is a senate bill and the other a house bill?
Re: SB 354 vs HB 86?
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:34 pm
by hirundo82
SB 354 is more likely to get passed as written. Unfortunately (as a student at a private school) the campus carry bill is unlikely to pass without allowing private institutions to set their own rules.
Re: SB 354 vs HB 86?
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:41 pm
by terryg
The Annoyed Man wrote:Could it simply be that one is a senate bill and the other a house bill?
I suppose it could be. Is there a legislative benefit to a Senate originating bill over a House originating bill?
Re: SB 354 vs HB 86?
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:25 pm
by oldtexan
terryg wrote:I posted this reply in another thread but think it deserves a life of its own (and it needed a bump
):
maxlib wrote:Two NRA-Backed Measures Introduced in the Texas Senate!
The Texas Legislature convened this past Tuesday for the 2011 legislative session. Two NRA-backed measures have already been filed in the Texas Senate: SB 321 by State Senator Glenn Hegar (R-Katy), legislation prohibiting employers from enforcing policies against the storage of lawfully-owned firearms in employees' private motor vehicles parked at work, and SB 354 by State Senator Jeff Wentworth (R-San Antonio), a bill to allow Concealed Handgun Licenses to protect themselves on college and university campuses.
Those are two that I can think of off the top of my head. Cut and pasted from an e-mail I got from the NRA-ILA.
So, I wonder why the NRA-ILA chooses to support SB 354 over HB 86? I like HB 86 much better as there are no-exclusions for private institutions. But, I guess they fear that this may also make it harder to pass. Any other reasons anybody can see?
I prefer SB 354 to HB 86. I have an issue with the state being able to tell private property owners what they can, or cannot, do with their property, in this case, private universities. There is a conflict between 2d Amendment rights and property rights. I strongly support both the right to keep and bear arms and the right to control one's own property. I prefer SB 354's solution to this conflict.
Re: SB 354 vs HB 86?
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:32 pm
by Ameer
The Annoyed Man wrote:Could it simply be that one is a senate bill and the other a house bill?
It doesn't look like the text is the same.
Re: SB 354 vs HB 86?
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:34 pm
by RPB
terryg wrote:I posted this reply in another thread but think it deserves a life of its own (and it needed a bump
):
maxlib wrote:Two NRA-Backed Measures Introduced in the Texas Senate!
The Texas Legislature convened this past Tuesday for the 2011 legislative session. Two NRA-backed measures have already been filed in the Texas Senate: SB 321 by State Senator Glenn Hegar (R-Katy), legislation prohibiting employers from enforcing policies against the storage of lawfully-owned firearms in employees' private motor vehicles parked at work, and SB 354 by State Senator Jeff Wentworth (R-San Antonio), a bill to allow Concealed Handgun Licenses to protect themselves on college and university campuses.
Those are two that I can think of off the top of my head. Cut and pasted from an e-mail I got from the NRA-ILA.
So, I wonder why the NRA-ILA chooses to support SB 354 over HB 86? I like HB 86 much better as there are no-exclusions for private institutions. But, I guess they fear that this may also make it harder to pass. Any other reasons anybody can see?
I have an issue with the state being NOT regulating private property owners who receive MILLIONS in Tax dollars . They regulate road construction companies ... etc etc etc
Re: SB 354 vs HB 86?
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:37 pm
by Charles L. Cotton
RPB wrote:terryg wrote:I posted this reply in another thread but think it deserves a life of its own (and it needed a bump
):
maxlib wrote:Two NRA-Backed Measures Introduced in the Texas Senate!
The Texas Legislature convened this past Tuesday for the 2011 legislative session. Two NRA-backed measures have already been filed in the Texas Senate: SB 321 by State Senator Glenn Hegar (R-Katy), legislation prohibiting employers from enforcing policies against the storage of lawfully-owned firearms in employees' private motor vehicles parked at work, and SB 354 by State Senator Jeff Wentworth (R-San Antonio), a bill to allow Concealed Handgun Licenses to protect themselves on college and university campuses.
Those are two that I can think of off the top of my head. Cut and pasted from an e-mail I got from the NRA-ILA.
So, I wonder why the NRA-ILA chooses to support SB 354 over HB 86? I like HB 86 much better as there are no-exclusions for private institutions. But, I guess they fear that this may also make it harder to pass. Any other reasons anybody can see?
I have an issue with the state being NOT regulating private property owners who receive MILLIONS in Tax dollars . They regulate road construction companies ... etc etc etc
Private schools aren't truly private unless they stand on the same footing as every other business in Texas.
Chas.
Re: SB 354 vs HB 86?
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:04 pm
by Ameer
Charles L. Cotton wrote:RPB wrote: I have an issue with the state being NOT regulating private property owners who receive MILLIONS in Tax dollars . They regulate road construction companies ... etc etc etc
Private schools aren't truly private unless they stand on the same footing as every other business in Texas.
Chas.
I said the same about non-profits and religious organizations that get special tax breaks and subsidies.
Re: SB 354 vs HB 86?
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:17 pm
by The Annoyed Man
oldtexan wrote:I prefer SB 354 to HB 86. I have an issue with the state being able to tell private property owners what they can, or cannot, do with their property, in this case, private universities. There is a conflict between 2d Amendment rights and property rights. I strongly support both the right to keep and bear arms and the right to control one's own property. I prefer SB 354's solution to this conflict.
Out of curiosity, does that mean that you do not support SB321, the "parking lot" bill? I ask because consistency would demand that if that is your position.
Re: SB 354 vs HB 86?
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:03 pm
by EconDoc
There is an easy way to force private schools to allow CHL on campus. Just amend the bill so that any private college that forbids CHL holders from carrying on campus loses all state and local tax exemptions, property tax, sales tax, etc. Second, make students at any private college that forbids CHL ineligible for any state-funded student aid. I will just about guarantee that these two things will bring them around. No non-profit wants to lose their tax exemptions, and loss of state aid to students will cut into their enrollment and revenues.
Re: SB 354 vs HB 86?
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:09 pm
by RHenriksen
EconDoc wrote:There is an easy way to force private schools to allow CHL on campus. Just amend the bill so that any private college that forbids CHL holders from carrying on campus loses all state and local tax exemptions, property tax, sales tax, etc. Second, make students at any private college that forbids CHL ineligible for any state-funded student aid. I will just about guarantee that these two things will bring them around. No non-profit wants to lose their tax exemptions, and loss of state aid to students will cut into their enrollment and revenues.
You sound like someone who understands Economics, EconDoc ;)
Re: SB 354 vs HB 86?
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:46 pm
by terryg
Charles L. Cotton wrote:RPB wrote:terryg wrote:
So, I wonder why the NRA-ILA chooses to support SB 354 over HB 86? I like HB 86 much better as there are no-exclusions for private institutions. But, I guess they fear that this may also make it harder to pass. Any other reasons anybody can see?
I have an issue with the state being NOT regulating private property owners who receive MILLIONS in Tax dollars . They regulate road construction companies ... etc etc etc
Private schools aren't truly private unless they stand on the same footing as every other business in Texas.
Chas.
I also agree. Which is why I ask the question as to why the more restrictive bill is getting the NRA endorsement over the more broadly worded (and first filed) bill? Again, I speculate to better ensure passage.
Re: SB 354 vs HB 86?
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:46 pm
by terryg
Charles L. Cotton wrote:RPB wrote:terryg wrote:
So, I wonder why the NRA-ILA chooses to support SB 354 over HB 86? I like HB 86 much better as there are no-exclusions for private institutions. But, I guess they fear that this may also make it harder to pass. Any other reasons anybody can see?
I have an issue with the state being NOT regulating private property owners who receive MILLIONS in Tax dollars . They regulate road construction companies ... etc etc etc
Private schools aren't truly private unless they stand on the same footing as every other business in Texas.
Chas.
I also agree. Which is why I ask the question as to why the more restrictive bill is getting the NRA endorsement over the more broadly worded (and first filed) bill? Again, I speculate to better ensure passage.
Re: SB 354 vs HB 86?
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:30 pm
by The Annoyed Man
Needed to say it twice just to be sure?
