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Looks like we're going to be back stabbed by the Republican Party on the magazine ban. You have to wonder why these faux "conservatives" are lining up to support this. Dick Cheney, Peggy Noonan, Richard Lugar, Bill Kristol? More evidence that this is being orchestrated. This is a pedal to the metal all out anti-gun propaganda campaign. The coverage and the push is not just a reaction to the Arizona shooting --something else is at play on this.

"Cheney and Other Unlikely Voices Push To Revisit High-Capacity Magazine Restrictions":

http://politicalcorrection.org/blog/201101210004

Edit: Forgot to add the Peggy Noonan link:

http://peggynoonan.com/article.php?article=555

The lead-in to Noonan's screed from her blog:

How to Continue the Obama Upswing
One idea he should embrace: a ban on extended ammo clips.

The Wall Street Journal: January 21, 2011

"It takes one shot to kill. I don't know why you would need any more." Really? Then why are fourteen of the twenty people shot in Arizona still alive? Gaby Giffords was shot in the head. She's alive.

There sure are a lot of stupid people in this country.

baldeagle wrote:"It takes one shot to kill. I don't know why you would need any more." Really? Then why are fourteen of the twenty people shot in Arizona still alive? Gaby Giffords was shot in the head. She's alive.

There sure are a lot of stupid people in this country.

I disagree that there are a lot of stupid people in this country, unless by "a lot" you really mean "most" people in this country are stupid, and you're just being exceedingly polite.

They must be a lot better than I am. I think I will go with the police, Glock 17 @ 17+1 and 2 spare 17 round mags, or Glock 22 @ 15+1 and 2 spare 15 round mags. Whatever handgun with standard magazine and 2 spares. These people have no idea what adrenalin does to you.

I am not surrendering any of my property. I see it when the sun comes from the west!

Political Correction is a project of Media Matters, which is one of the most mendacious media outlets in this country — populated by hard core socialist/progressives and proto-commies. If they said it, then I am skeptical. Cheney surprises me if it's true, but Lugar's lifetime rating from CPAC is only 77.26, which makes less than a hard core conservative. Bill Kristol is a 2nd generation neoconservative, which means that he is comfortable with a big government. So it isn't that surprising that either of those two are willing to discuss regulation of magazine capacity. They aren't hard core conservatives. Don't forget that Cheney, as George Bush's VP, was part of an administration that was not fully committed to conservative principles.

Even so, liberals have a nasty habit of quoting conservatives out of context to make their points. It may well be that Media Matters has taken exactly that tactic in order to deceive fence sitters. They lie enough about everything else that I wouldn't put it past them.

I haven't yet read the posted links, but I gotta ask .... if those people (Cheney, Noonan et al) don't sit in one of the 435 seats in the US House, then why does their opinion matter enough to actually make a new mag-ban happen? So they're considered conservative political figures - old ones, past their prime, who served in Nixon, Reagan, Bush administrations - so what? They can give whatever opinion they want. Neither of them needs to back up their opinion with a vote in Congress, and thus face the electoral wrath of millions of gun owning voters like the Dems did in 1994.

Perhaps I'm wrong. But it seems like a big first step is to keep them from re-defining the terms. Since when is a 15 or 17 round magazine extended?? We should insist on calling a 10 round mag 'reduced capacity' and 15-17 rounders 'standard capacity'.

idiots


re-write the sentence "Jared Loughner used a high-capacity magazine that enabled him to..."
and you have a truth

Jared Loughner used a super-duper-foot-long magazine that enabled people to grab them away due to their size,
unlike the short "regular-sized" easy and fast to reload magazines at Virginia Tech, Luby's and places where shooters were "unstoppable"

BTW, Noonan is NOT a conservative. She is a squishy republican.

The Annoyed Man wrote:BTW, Noonan is NOT a conservative. She is a squishy republican.

A new term: "Squishican."

I like it.

I believe the last election was not only a rejection of liberal Democrat socialism but also squishy RINO republicans as well. I doubt seriously this initiative will go anywhere in the new House, and the last time I checked, legislation has to pass both houses.

terryg wrote:Perhaps I'm wrong. But it seems like a big first step is to keep them from re-defining the terms. Since when is a 15 or 17 round magazine extended?? We should insist on calling a 10 round mag 'reduced capacity' and 15-17 rounders 'standard capacity'.

Anything under 20 rounds, is "reduced capacity" or "crippled capacity"
Actually, I have a couple 20 round "standard capacity" mags for a .380

And "standard capacity" for a Taurus PT 917 .... is 20 rounds.
http://www.taurususa.com/product-detail ... search=917" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Model: 917SS-20 Finish: Stainless Steel Status: Available
Caliber: 9 mm Grips: Rubber UPC: 7-25327-60307-8
Capacity: 20 +1 Weight: 32.2 oz Rate of Twist: 1:9.84"
Barrel Length: 4" Construction: Steel Frame: Medium
Action: SA/DA Front Sight: Fixed- 1 Dot Length: 8 1/2"
Grooves: 6 Order #: 1-917049-20 MSRP: $589.00
Rear Sight: Fixed 2 dot Grooves Turn: Right

If they pass a 10 round cap limit, at least my single stack 1911 will once again become competitive vs. the double-stack 30 round cap open / limited guns in USPSA.

Texas Dan Mosby wrote:If they pass a 10 round cap limit, at least my single stack 1911 will once again become competitive vs. the double-stack 30 round cap open / limited guns in USPSA.

If they pass a 10 round cap limit,, I'm upping caliber and carrying three 10-round .45s : Seriously
Then my 20 round Glock 26 9mm (Glock 17 mag with Pearce PG39 "+3" baseplate) and mag spacer for grip, can rest a while from it's current daily carry.

I'll have to figure out on IRS Schedule A or B which line is the "expenses/losses incurred due to government oppression" deduction. Guess I better make that corporation or Trust to own stuff like big honkin' magazines, AOWs, and stuff, then it can claim it maybe, and the next trustee can manage them all if/when I die without needing to "transfer or sell" since that's forbidden

That brings the question, when an owner of such dies, who turns in the magazines if no provision was made like a trust etc? And, where's the drop box to deposit them? I'm sure that States who already limit the "good guy teams" capacity already have drop boxes in place and their system works right?