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Civilian nuclear subs?sjfcontrol wrote:How can it be? They don't have any guns over there?
Are you sure? Do you know the procedures for military/civilian crown trials in the UK?sugar land dave wrote:The sailor was involved in a changing of the guard duty thus he was armed. He killed an officer. Being in the military, there will be no civilian trial. It will all be handled in service and his life is basically over too.
If you are challenging the contention that an officer murdered at a guard post at a military dock where a NATO member naval vessel is secured is a tribunal matter, I would be interested in your basis for disbelief that the military takes care of their own business.ScottDLS wrote:Are you sure? Do you know the procedures for military/civilian crown trials in the UK?sugar land dave wrote:The sailor was involved in a changing of the guard duty thus he was armed. He killed an officer. Being in the military, there will be no civilian trial. It will all be handled in service and his life is basically over too.
Most likely they were at the upper or lower area of the gangplank. Inside the sub.... would not be good.Pug wrote:I rather imagine the old boy's career is over as well, but...
What this post actually reminded me of was the line from Sean Connery in 'Hunt for Red October' when he sayd:
"Most things in here don't react well to bullets." Yikes!
Jack Ryan then repeats the sentence after the "cook" is firing at him in amongst all the missile tubes, in a great impersonation of Sean's Edinburgh accent.Pug wrote:I rather imagine the old boy's career is over as well, but...
What this post actually reminded me of was the line from Sean Connery in 'Hunt for Red October' when he sayd:
"Most things in here don't react well to bullets." Yikes!
Hasan could get tried in Texas state court for capital murder, though the Army chose to charge him under UCMJ. Do you KNOW that the UK doesn't have a similar possibility?sugar land dave wrote:If you are challenging the contention that an officer murdered at a guard post at a military dock where a NATO member naval vessel is secured is a tribunal matter, I would be interested in your basis for disbelief that the military takes care of their own business.ScottDLS wrote:Are you sure? Do you know the procedures for military/civilian crown trials in the UK?sugar land dave wrote:The sailor was involved in a changing of the guard duty thus he was armed. He killed an officer. Being in the military, there will be no civilian trial. It will all be handled in service and his life is basically over too.
They do on warships.sjfcontrol wrote:How can it be? They don't have any guns over there?
Again, is there a reason you feel the need to challenge military authority over people in their charge? I don't come here to argue, but to learn. Regarding matters such as this, perhaps I already know. Nevertheless, I do not feel the need to justify such.ScottDLS wrote:Hasan could get tried in Texas state court for capital murder, though the Army chose to charge him under UCMJ. Do you KNOW that the UK doesn't have a similar possibility?sugar land dave wrote:If you are challenging the contention that an officer murdered at a guard post at a military dock where a NATO member naval vessel is secured is a tribunal matter, I would be interested in your basis for disbelief that the military takes care of their own business.ScottDLS wrote:Are you sure? Do you know the procedures for military/civilian crown trials in the UK?sugar land dave wrote:The sailor was involved in a changing of the guard duty thus he was armed. He killed an officer. Being in the military, there will be no civilian trial. It will all be handled in service and his life is basically over too.
The story today is somewhat different from what was initially reported. It now sounds as if this incident took place inside the sub. Yikes indeed!philip964 wrote:Jack Ryan then repeats the sentence after the "cook" is firing at him in amongst all the missile tubes, in a great impersonation of Sean's Edinburgh accent.Pug wrote:I rather imagine the old boy's career is over as well, but...
What this post actually reminded me of was the line from Sean Connery in 'Hunt for Red October' when he sayd:
"Most things in here don't react well to bullets." Yikes!
The crew was conducting a VIP tour and the quick thinking mayor of the town saved the day by pinning the gunman to the wall where he was able to grab the gunman's rifle from him.
This probably illustrates the kind of rare tight situation where a handgun is preferable to a rifle.
Indeed, Dave, I suspect the most troubling aspect of this incident may have to do with the UK's program for predetermining the mental stability of candidates for becoming a member of the crew of nuclear subs. Similarly, it may be the most likely source of embarrassment for the Royal Navy. That is, this may be for the UK what the Fort Hood shooting incident was for us.sugar land dave wrote: The story today is somewhat different from what was initially reported. It now sounds as if this incident took place inside the sub. Yikes indeed!
To use an old colloquialism, "Heads will roll."b322da wrote:That is, this may be for the UK what the Fort Hood shooting incident was for us.