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Some time back I think I remember a post about some town in our EARLY history that passed a law requiring the men to bring arms to church for defense.

Anyone remember & can document it?????
Thanks
LT

longtooth wrote:Some time back I think I remember a post about some town in our EARLY history that passed a law requiring the men to bring arms to church for defense.

Anyone remember & can document it?????
Thanks
LT

Is this what you're thinking about?
http://americanvision.org/2342/%E2%80%9 ... 9D-sunday/

Another reference.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/at- ... story.html

I wonder at times how the whole concealed carry thing ties in with the old proverb concerning living by the sword and dying by the sword.

Thanks TDDude
The 1st one is great.

I also thank TDDude for the links! Good info that I am passing on to others.

03Lightningrocks wrote:I wonder at times how the whole concealed carry thing ties in with the old proverb concerning living by the sword and dying by the sword.

Actually, this isn’t in Proverbs but is still a very good question. It’s one that I'm hit with all the time by armchair critics who try to use my religion and my Bible against my love of firearms and I know I can’t be the only one out there that faces this at least once per month.

Yes, I know this will touch on religion but the Bible has a WHOLE LOT TO SAY about war, weapons, self defense, violence, and so forth so I will restrict my comments to those areas.

Of course, not being a theologian makes me eminently qualified to answer. I will say that this is only a small sample, so here goes:

Exodus 22:2 - This verse makes it clear that we have a God given right to defend ourselves and will not be guilty of murder when defending our home or ourselves.

1 Samuel 13:19-22 - The Philistines instituted weapons control by getting rid of all the blacksmiths. No blacksmiths meant no weapons. A disarmed people meant an enslaved people.

Isaiah 2:1-5 - This is the famous “swords into plowshares” line that anti-gunners and anti-military types love to quote. Of course, when taken into context, these verses describe the end times when the Lord comes and cleans house and not until then. The United Nations isn’t mentioned.

Luke 22:35-38 – Jesus told His disciples that trouble is coming and that it was more important than anything to keep your money close and to be properly armed.

And now for the verse in which Lightning asks about,
Matthew 26:51-52 -

With that, one of Jesus’ companions reached for his sword, drew it out and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear. “Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword."

Jesus didn’t tell Peter to get rid of the sword, he didn’t tell him to melt it down into a plow, He didn’t tell him to turn it in to the high priest and run away. He told Peter to “put it back in its place”. Other translations say “in its sheath”. He is clearly implying that there is a time and place and for a multitude of reasons, this was not the time or place for violence. The sword itself isn’t evil. The improper use is evil and those who use force for evil, will certainly die by the sword.

That's about it for now.

TDDude wrote: Matthew 26:51-52 -

With that, one of Jesus’ companions reached for his sword, drew it out and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear. “Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword."

Jesus didn’t tell Peter to get rid of the sword, he didn’t tell him to melt it down into a plow, He didn’t tell him to turn it in to the high priest and run away. He told Peter to “put it back in its place”. Other translations say “in its sheath”. He is clearly implying that there is a time and place and for a multitude of reasons, this was not the time or place for violence. The sword itself isn’t evil. The improper use is evil and those who use force for evil, will ertainly die by the sword.

He also didn't say "Whoa Peter! Where did you get that sword?!" or "What did I tell you about bringing that silly thing everywhere?" The implication is that Jesus was accustomed to and comfortable being in the company of armed disciples.

TDDude wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:I wonder at times how the whole concealed carry thing ties in with the old proverb concerning living by the sword and dying by the sword.

Actually, this isn’t in Proverbs but is still a very good question. It’s one that I'm hit with all the time by armchair critics who try to use my religion and my Bible against my love of firearms and I know I can’t be the only one out there that faces this at least once per month.

Yes, I know this will touch on religion but the Bible has a WHOLE LOT TO SAY about war, weapons, self defense, violence, and so forth so I will restrict my comments to those areas.

Of course, not being a theologian makes me eminently qualified to answer. I will say that this is only a small sample, so here goes:

Exodus 22:2 - This verse makes it clear that we have a God given right to defend ourselves and will not be guilty of murder when defending our home or ourselves.

1 Samuel 13:19-22 - The Philistines instituted weapons control by getting rid of all the blacksmiths. No blacksmiths meant no weapons. A disarmed people meant an enslaved people.

Isaiah 2:1-5 - This is the famous “swords into plowshares” line that anti-gunners and anti-military types love to quote. Of course, when taken into context, these verses describe the end times when the Lord comes and cleans house and not until then. The United Nations isn’t mentioned.

Luke 22:35-38 – Jesus told His disciples that trouble is coming and that it was more important than anything to keep your money close and to be properly armed.

And now for the verse in which Lightning asks about,
Matthew 26:51-52 -

With that, one of Jesus’ companions reached for his sword, drew it out and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear. “Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword."

Jesus didn’t tell Peter to get rid of the sword, he didn’t tell him to melt it down into a plow, He didn’t tell him to turn it in to the high priest and run away. He told Peter to “put it back in its place”. Other translations say “in its sheath”. He is clearly implying that there is a time and place and for a multitude of reasons, this was not the time or place for violence. The sword itself isn’t evil. The improper use is evil and those who use force for evil, will certainly die by the sword.

That's about it for now.

NAILED IT!

TDDude wrote: That's about it for now.

Thank you for your post.

too.

I would add, He had actually told Peter and the others to arm themselves, Peter honestly thought he was defending his Lord...however, He had also told them this was coming, they just hadn't understood, much as they hadn't understood alot.

TDDude wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:I wonder at times how the whole concealed carry thing ties in with the old proverb concerning living by the sword and dying by the sword.

Actually, this isn’t in Proverbs but is still a very good question. It’s one that I'm hit with all the time by armchair critics who try to use my religion and my Bible against my love of firearms and I know I can’t be the only one out there that faces this at least once per month.

Yes, I know this will touch on religion but the Bible has a WHOLE LOT TO SAY about war, weapons, self defense, violence, and so forth so I will restrict my comments to those areas.

Of course, not being a theologian makes me eminently qualified to answer. I will say that this is only a small sample, so here goes:

Exodus 22:2 - This verse makes it clear that we have a God given right to defend ourselves and will not be guilty of murder when defending our home or ourselves.

1 Samuel 13:19-22 - The Philistines instituted weapons control by getting rid of all the blacksmiths. No blacksmiths meant no weapons. A disarmed people meant an enslaved people.

Isaiah 2:1-5 - This is the famous “swords into plowshares” line that anti-gunners and anti-military types love to quote. Of course, when taken into context, these verses describe the end times when the Lord comes and cleans house and not until then. The United Nations isn’t mentioned.

Luke 22:35-38 – Jesus told His disciples that trouble is coming and that it was more important than anything to keep your money close and to be properly armed.

And now for the verse in which Lightning asks about,
Matthew 26:51-52 -

With that, one of Jesus’ companions reached for his sword, drew it out and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear. “Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword."

Jesus didn’t tell Peter to get rid of the sword, he didn’t tell him to melt it down into a plow, He didn’t tell him to turn it in to the high priest and run away. He told Peter to “put it back in its place”. Other translations say “in its sheath”. He is clearly implying that there is a time and place and for a multitude of reasons, this was not the time or place for violence. The sword itself isn’t evil. The improper use is evil and those who use force for evil, will certainly die by the sword.

That's about it for now.

I do like the way you have explained this.

I will add that I have heard this from folks who are not anti-gun or armchair critics. Just regular Christian folk who don't deserve categoric labels or identification as if they are somehow ignorant or something. I use to get into a lot of street fights. Real bad ones where folks got hurt real bad and well meaning councelers have said this to me on a few occasions. Fortunately I put all that behind me but have wondered about that as I carry my concealed weapon in case I meet that guy who is thinking like I use to think. I am not a real religous person, even though my whole darned family was, (at one time), involved in traveling ministries.