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Colin Goddard' cell phone defense technique for gun-free zones works in this case as well as it did for him

Colin http://www.texastribune.org/texas-dept- ... massacre-/

New story:

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/265 ... girl-told-
Quote is a few excerpts. rest of story at above link, her dad had already been killed etc. see link for entire story

BEAR’S EATING ME, GIRL TOLD MUM IN CALL
A DISTRAUGHT mother listened on a mobile phone as her teenage daughter was eaten alive by a brown bear and its three cubs.

Olga Moskalyova, 19, gave an horrific hour-long running commentary on her own death in three separate calls as the wild animals killed her.

She screamed: “Mum, the bear is eating me! Mum, it’s such agony. Mum, help!’”
In a second call, a weak Olga gasped: “Mum, the bears are back. She came back and brought her three babies. They’re... eating me”.

Finally, in her last call – almost an hour after the first – Olga sensed she was on the verge of death.

With the bears having apparently left her to die, she said: “Mum, it’s not hurting anymore. I don’t feel the pain. Forgive me for everything, I love you so much.”

Moral: either stay out of or eliminate gun-free zones, or carry more protection than a cell phone

A cell phone is handy, it is not good choice for your only self-defense tool.

I read this story yesterday and was thinkng how much different things could've been if they were armed with an adequate weapon. Sad story that could've been prevented. All of this over a fishing pole that was left behind.

wow, thanks for posting those quotes, I threw up in my mouth a bit. Thats pretty terrible.

What does a graphic depiction of a young girl being eaten alive in the wilderness by bears have to do with gun control? Was that area a "gun-free" zone of Russia? The wilderness is perhaps a slightly different environment than a college campus IMO.

I saw that story yesterday--gave me shivers all day long. Carry a weapon of some kind of some sort all the time, especially in the wild--they were fishing yes--even a fishing knife to the eye of a bear trying to eat you will do damage. Still makes me nauseous. What they needed was a .45 not a cell phone.

knotquiteawake wrote:wow, thanks for posting those quotes, I threw up in my mouth a bit. Thats pretty terrible.

What does a graphic depiction of a young girl being eaten alive in the wilderness by bears have to do with gun control? Was that area a "gun-free" zone of Russia? The wilderness is perhaps a slightly different environment than a college campus IMO.

Very sad terrible event.
What caught my attention:
It parallels Goddard's story almost identically in sequence ... being in a defenseless victim zone, disarmed by government and getting attacked, ...attacker leaving,... attacker returning to do more injury/damage while you talk on a cell phone ... stories are almost identical; nearest police were called in both instances, and in both they arrive later.

From a Russian site/translated
http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20050811/41139012.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
excerpt from How I bought a rifle for self-defense in Russia
More at link provided

The law in Russia is extremely conservative compared with that in the United States. Russians can only buy smoothbore hunting rifles of minimum 80 centimeters, gas pistols, or revolvers shooting rubber bullets. Safe use of this arsenal for five years allows purchase of a twin rifle or carbine. Stub-barreled firearms are a taboo for Russian citizens.

It took me several days to obtain a gun license from the Interior Ministry. I had to collect documents from the psychiatric and narcotics dispensaries confirming that I am not on their records. I also had to pay a modest state tax: 110 rubles (a little less than $4) for a hunting rifle, and 30 rubles for a gas pistol (slightly over $1). Then I had to undergo check-ups at several doctors: GP, surgeon, ophthalmologist, and ear-nose-and-throat doctor (a nice woman who ran to the corner of her office and whispered, trying not to move her lips: "Why do you need a pistol?" I passed the test.)

After that I had to submit a request to a regional police licensing department.

Several days later a district police officer came to see me ...

Lots more in the article

Yup, a cell phone and even rubber bullets aren't a lot of help in gun-free zones.
Oh wait, you can't carry the gun with rubber bullets unless you also ... pay and get a license and membership and ...

I'll agree wilderness has dangerous snakes, dangerous animals on 4 legs, as well as dangerous animals on 2 legs. And, "most" schools only have dangerous animals on 2 legs; but rattlesnakes and rabid animals are found at some schools, in addition to dangerous 2-legged animals. Our local high school has a pond and lake, there are fish in them, but I don't recall seeing people fishing there. Once a guy was practicing fly casting on the small lake though.

You know a pistol with rubber bullets really sucks, but I would take that and a sharp knife over my bare hands and a cell phone against a bear any day. If you hit the bear in a sensitive spot or just keep hitting it again and again--it might decide that you are not worth the effort. Still you are likely to end up dead, but you have a better chance of surviving than with nothing. Something to remember is that even in areas that prohibit "weapons" I bet you could bring wasp spray and that will work as good as pepper spray and it often shoots farther. A can hanging on the outside of your pack would not go amiss. I am not sure of the legality, but if a bear is attacking who cares if it is legal!!

For this girl to have survived should would have likely needed all three the wasp spray, the rubber bullets and then a knife. God help us if we ever get to where Russia is today. I am so sorry she had to die, especially in that way. What a terrible terrible waste.

I don't watch Chris Mathews, so I have no idea how often he displays his ignorance of a subject. He does it beautifully in his interview with Mr. Goddard and Senator Wentworth. How is someone so ignorant of a subject able to have an opinion on it?

I can find no original source for this story. There should be a Russian source quoted by somebody in English-speaking news reports. Not to be disrespectful, but short of an authoritative source, could this possibly be an internet hoax?

sugar land dave wrote:I can find no original source for this story. There should be a Russian source quoted by somebody in English-speaking news reports. Not to be disrespectful, but short of an authoritative source, could this possibly be an internet hoax?

No problem, I didn't think about it could be a hoax because of the newspaper it was in, (biased, but usually reliable... no aliens kidnapping moms stories or psychic predictions ) but it could be.


Internet hoax published as news in a daily newspaper http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/265 ... girl-told-" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and on TV news?
I suppose it could be; I didn't search Obituaries
TV News
http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/girl- ... ing-127232" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

from
Indo-Asian News Service, Wednesday August 17, 2011,
http://www.ndtv.com/search?q=Indo-Asian+News+Service" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here's her picture on another news station
http://www.whatsonsanya.com/news-17638- ... -bear.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

)ok; maybe she hasn't had a burial grave marker yet since it just occurred yesterday (from findagrave)
3 pictures of her here but this isn't "necessarily" a reliable source either
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cg ... d=75093057&" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
8 hours ago – Birth: 1992, Russian Federation
Death: Aug. 17, 2011, Russian Federation

A 19 years old young woman, victim of a brutal attack by a bear.

Stepdaughter of Igor Tsyganenkov [#75093104]

Burial:
Unknown

Created by: RabekahsRainbow
Record added: Aug 18, 2011
Find A Grave Memorial# 75093057


Could be a hoax, but pretty elaborate one if it is.

well, here in Dutch, I'm looking for Russian
http://www.dogpile.com/info.dogpl/searc ... e&qdomain=" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ok here you go from nl

http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/2668/Bui ... eten.dhtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

also some .de sites list stories with her name

and a search turned up some .ru sites ... but I can't read them to tell which story it is on the lists of stories

Here's Russia search engine lists, but I can't make heads nor tails out of the results
http://www.google.com/search?q=russia+s ... 24&bih=638" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That is some serious internet searching there RPB!

Guy's I looked at all of those before I dared post such a thing as I did. No one lists an original source, and if you read the stories, they all copy one another, even the ones in other languages, which I ran through the translator.

I will look through Russian links later. I am lucky enough to have a native Russian speaker at home.

I just remember that a time in history some folks believed in a guy called Paul Bunyan. I also recall a guy who launched a UFO and said his son was inside. Soon I was watching this UFO on the main stream media. So I do believe even media can fall for a compelling tale. I sure would like to be right on this one! Such a gruesome story.

That's a seriously disturbing story there. Whether it's true or not, this reaffirms my decision to not go camping without a sidearm of some sort that can be kept loaded and on my person, and it's reminded me that the knife I carry around to use against BGs and boxes would likely be too small to be effective against wildlife.

sugar land dave wrote:Guy's I looked at all of those before I dared post such a thing as I did. No one lists an original source, and if you read the stories, they all copy one another, even the ones in other languages, which I ran through the translator.

That sounds suspiciously like the MSM coverage of the Iowa straw poll.