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I see that the New York Times is already questioning Gov. Perry's ethics. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44217977/ns ... ork_times/

I know this doesn't excuse some of Mr. Perry's actions, but it's too bad they can't seem to do this kind of in depth review of Mr. Obama's fund raising antics and alliances with questionable comrades. Would be nice to see a balanced approach for a change.

2farnorth wrote:I know this doesn't excuse some of Mr. Perry's actions, but it's too bad they can't seem to do this kind of in depth review of Mr. Obama's fund raising antics and alliances with questionable comrades. Would be nice to see a balanced approach for a change.

Never going to happen. He can't stand up to it. Remember the Democratic Party's/Liberal's motto, "Do as we say, not as we do. We know what's best for you."

Hypocritical NYTimes article, quoting state Democrat Party members (who are probably still just a little ticked that their Bill White isn't Governor now) and transmitted via MSNBC, the megaphone of the rabid left. They sure aren't going to sing Governor Perry's praises, so what difference does the article make? Those that use either NYTimes and/or MSNBC as their primary news sources aren't likely to vote for Rick Perry, anyway. I think they are afraid of Governor Perry winning and they are going all out to try and bump him from the race before he gets close to winning. I think they are going to have to work very hard no matter how many dirty articles they print...especially since their own boys and girls are guilty of the same stuff. BTW, have you heard? The EPA is going to FORCE several power plants in Texas to shut down...maybe we'll have rolling blackouts...our power prices will definitely go up...ask yourself why a leftist appointed EPA would do that? Sure makes their "green energy" folks richer, now, don't it?

This is exactly what I meant by "527 media" in another thread. Rather than purely reporting the news, they make themselves part of the story by trying to influence the story's outcome. I have absolutely no respect for any of the legacy media, and automatically discount most of what they say as rubbish.

I agree with most if not all that was said above BUT so far Perry is running a bad campaign, IMHO.

When he first declared his candidacy I was happy that maybe there would be someone on the Republican side that
can challenge the President and win. We need to change the direction the way this country is going.

Then the Gov started his rhetoric and in my opinion left himself wide open for the media to start bashing him. His agenda
is far right and the far right cannot be elected President in this country. He needed to take a more centrist approach and better
yet a moderate Republican. In my eyes he has now made himself unelectable. The country will not vote for another
ideologue. Too bad, I was hoping!! I do not know who is left on the Republican side that can offer a real challenge to the
present administration.

I may be wrong and quite frankly I hope I am wrong.

Chuck

RockingRook wrote:Then the Gov started his rhetoric and in my opinion left himself wide open for the media to start bashing him. His agenda
is far right and the far right cannot be elected President in this country. He needed to take a more centrist approach and better
yet a moderate Republican.

I am also disappointed so far...
Perhaps he feels he needs to be well right to win the primary, then we'd see him turn more moderate in the GE.?

That's the problem being a Republican today...
There's a huge portion of the party that will vote their social agenda ahead of their fiscal agenda.
You need the Social Right to win the primary and the Fiscal Right and Center to win in November.

This is a problem... a real roadblock to putting an electable candidate against BHO.

Didn't the Republican Party run an old-guard moderate candidate against BHO in 2008? (I did vote for Mr. McCain, BTW.) Obviously, he didn't win...he played NICE, and the press didn't want to say anything good about him, despite that. It wouldn't matter anyway...take the Obamacare thing...the AP, I believe, ran a piece saying that Obamacare was going to cover millions of "Texans" and Governor Perry cold-heartedly turned it down...but if he would have accepted it, then they would have said something along the lines of being "pro-big-government" and selling out the Tea Party...understand, the PRESS IS FOR OBAMA...PERIOD. So, its just like a scene in the movie Full Metal Jacket. The gunny sergeant tries to get one of the trainees to change his mind in a rather forceful way...the private refuses and says that if he changes his mind, the gunny will still tear him up...its the only thing the private does that the gunny likes...saying something like "He's got guts, and guts is enough"...that is the way I see this business. Its a no-win with the press, so you might as well "lose" with them by standing your ground.

Heartland Patriot wrote:Didn't the Republican Party run an old-guard moderate candidate against BHO in 2008? (I did vote for Mr. McCain, BTW.) Obviously, he didn't win...he played NICE, and the press didn't want to say anything good about him, despite that.

I voted for McCain as well but in my opinion McCain lost not because he was a moderate but because most of the country was fed up with the wars and Bush in particular. While I do not think Bush was a bad president but most of the country did
and also because BHO has a golden tongue. He speaks well even though most of what he says are lies. He mobilized and garnered the "young" vote who turned out BIG. McCain made some missteps in the election and with the young vote in BHO's corner the election was lost. BHO also ran as a moderate Dem but his true ideas did not surface until after the election.

BHO had a good election strategy and he won!! He is a smart politician!! I also think he honestly believes in what he is trying to do.

Perry could have done the same thing. He could start his campaign with the idea of winning the WH which is doable because this country is in bad shape and the present admin is making it
worse. Instead, Perry came out with a far right agenda and in my opinion has lost his chance to win the big states and even the moderates Rep and Dems. He is NOT a smart politician.
I am expecting him to restate "Texas seceding from the Union". I read him saying that a couple years back. If he does says that again he may not even win Texas. Ridiculous!! Not because
of the idea but because he says it. That is not being smart at all.

We need to get the White House out of the hands of a socialist and back into the hands of people that at least understand what America is all about. America has got problems that can be
fixed without destroying our way of life.

If we re-elect BHO for another 4 years I am afraid this country will be irreversibly damaged. He needs to be voted out!!

Chuck

Honestly, I think McCain lost because he felt that he had the right to win and he let everyone know it. He wasn't the candidate that most of us wanted as the candidate. I'm sick to death of the R's deal of "oh, it's this guys turn"... I voted against O, but I think alot of R's stayed home, rather than vote for him...

McCain lost because too many people got caught up feeling good about themselves for voting for a Black man, rather than considering his empty rhetoric and examining the vacuum that was his resume. This plus "anti-Bush" sentiment.

McCain didn't "run enthusiastically" because he's too old and too wiley. He knew it was a lost cause early on. He didn't want to play "scorched earth" because of the damage he knew it would do. Hopefully We The People realize the mistake that's been made and can rectify it next year.

Just my opinion.

RockingRook wrote:

Heartland Patriot wrote:Didn't the Republican Party run an old-guard moderate candidate against BHO in 2008? (I did vote for Mr. McCain, BTW.) Obviously, he didn't win...he played NICE, and the press didn't want to say anything good about him, despite that.

I voted for McCain as well but in my opinion McCain lost not because he was a moderate but because most of the country was fed up with the wars and Bush in particular. While I do not think Bush was a bad president but most of the country did
and also because BHO has a golden tongue. He speaks well even though most of what he says are lies. He mobilized and garnered the "young" vote who turned out BIG. McCain made some missteps in the election and with the young vote in BHO's corner the election was lost. BHO also ran as a moderate Dem but his true ideas did not surface until after the election.

BHO had a good election strategy and he won!! He is a smart politician!! I also think he honestly believes in what he is trying to do.

Perry could have done the same thing. He could start his campaign with the idea of winning the WH which is doable because this country is in bad shape and the present admin is making it
worse. Instead, Perry came out with a far right agenda and in my opinion has lost his chance to win the big states and even the moderates Rep and Dems. He is NOT a smart politician.
I am expecting him to restate "Texas seceding from the Union". I read him saying that a couple years back. If he does says that again he may not even win Texas. Ridiculous!! Not because
of the idea but because he says it. That is not being smart at all.

We need to get the White House out of the hands of a socialist and back into the hands of people that at least understand what America is all about. America has got problems that can be
fixed without destroying our way of life.

If we re-elect BHO for another 4 years I am afraid this country will be irreversibly damaged. He needs to be voted out!!

Chuck

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I'm not 100% certain if it is okay to post this particular link, but I'm putting it on here as it is pertinent to something you said. Governor Perry did NOT say that Texas should or will secede from the Union...there has been a lot of talk about that, and though he did speak on the issue, he never said what the LEFTIST media keeps saying he said. Read the article, with quotes, above and see for yourself. Okay, I get it, you don't like Governor Perry, you want a moderate president...but there are a LOT of us who feel otherwise.

Heartland Patriot wrote:
Okay, I get it, you don't like Governor Perry, you want a moderate president...but there are a LOT of us who feel otherwise.

If you were referring to me then you do not get it. I like Perry and when he announced his candidacy I was very happy. I figured that the Republicans have in Perry a way of
defeating Obama come next fall.

Listening to his rhetoric I felt that he hurt himself and his chances to win the election. Why have someone on the ticket that cannot win? It would be like
handing a second term to O. I want Obama voted out and in Perry I saw a person that could do it but his ideas do not ring well in much of the rest of the country.

The Republicans need more than just Texas to win the election. If I was one of the people that was duped into believing that Perry actually advocated secession then I was wrong
and stupid but this word needs to get out. Maybe Perry himself could clarify that.

As far as wanting a moderate President you are correct and believe me that a far left or a far right will not get elected because it takes the entire country to vote not
just a few counties in Texas.

Obama is far left but he did not express those ideas and beliefs when he was campaigning. He came across as a moderate Dem.

He was smart enough to know his far left ideas would not get him into the WH. All I am saying is that Perry should realize that and do not come
across as a far right candidate.

Chuck

I just want a socially liberal fiscally conservative candidate who want efficient government rather than big or small government. Is that too much to ask?

Perry 2012 (for the moment)

loadedliberal wrote:I just want a socially liberal fiscally conservative candidate who want efficient government rather than big or small government. Is that too much to ask?

Perry 2012 (for the moment)

Our debt is out of hand, our spending is through the roof we need exactly what you describe and that is Perry. All I am saying is I hope he can be elected.
If he is the Rep. candidate I will vote for him but then again I will vote for anyone the Republican party nominates. We need to get O out of the WH before the country is
irreversibly ruined.

I was hoping for a Perry/Rubio ticket or a Perry/Bachmann ticket.

Chuck