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I looked closely when we entered a Texas restaurant and bar, but saw no signs.

On the way out I spotted them posted low and behind the front hostess counter.



Not sure if this meets the requirements, but what do you think?

Signs look proper.
If the business name was ABC restaurant and bar that should have been a good clue.
The sign placement is not good regardless.

If you tell us the name of the business, then we can look it up in the TABC database and see if it really is a 51% location or not. As for location of the signs, I would say they were not properly placed in a conspicuous location.

Keith B wrote:If you tell us the name of the business, then we can look it up in the TABC database and see if it really is a 51% location or not. As for location of the signs, I would say they were not properly placed in a conspicuous location.

I wouldn't bet my freedom on it, but if I were to guess. the place isn't a real 51% bar. The existence of a hostess stand indicates more of a food joint than drinking joint. Only the license can tell the true tale though.

Keith B wrote:If you tell us the name of the business, then we can look it up in the TABC database and see if it really is a 51% location or not. As for location of the signs, I would say they were not properly placed in a conspicuous location.

In a case like this, would it be appropriate to notify the establishment that the signs should be more visible? And if they give you grief about it, then contact the TABC? I know that its often best to let sleeping dogs lie when it comes to improper 30.06, but this particular situation with the 51% would seem to set up a potential bad situation for CHLers.

Heartland Patriot wrote:

Keith B wrote:If you tell us the name of the business, then we can look it up in the TABC database and see if it really is a 51% location or not. As for location of the signs, I would say they were not properly placed in a conspicuous location.

In a case like this, would it be appropriate to notify the establishment that the signs should be more visible? And if they give you grief about it, then contact the TABC? I know that its often best to let sleeping dogs lie when it comes to improper 30.06, but this particular situation with the 51% would seem to set up a potential bad situation for CHLers.

Maybe, maybe not. Wasn't the law changed to say that it is a defense to prosecution if the signs are not prominently displayed at the entrance? Just like a 30.06 sign that is displayed inside an establishment rather than at the entrances, once you have seen a correct (red) 51% sign, you have to leave—but until you see the sign, you have not received effective notice and you therefore have a defense to prosecution.

Of course, prosecution ≠ getting taken downtown. You may still have to face that particular unpleasantry if confronted. OTH, concealed is concealed. Unless you've actually had to draw and use your weapon, you should have ample opportunity to gracefully exit the area before being discovered

The Annoyed Man wrote:

Heartland Patriot wrote:

Keith B wrote:If you tell us the name of the business, then we can look it up in the TABC database and see if it really is a 51% location or not. As for location of the signs, I would say they were not properly placed in a conspicuous location.

In a case like this, would it be appropriate to notify the establishment that the signs should be more visible? And if they give you grief about it, then contact the TABC? I know that its often best to let sleeping dogs lie when it comes to improper 30.06, but this particular situation with the 51% would seem to set up a potential bad situation for CHLers.

Maybe, maybe not. Wasn't the law changed to say that it is a defense to prosecution if the signs are not prominently displayed at the entrance? Just like a 30.06 sign that is displayed inside an establishment rather than at the entrances, once you have seen a correct (red) 51% sign, you have to leave—but until you see the sign, you have not received effective notice and you therefore have a defense to prosecution.

Of course, prosecution ≠ getting taken downtown. You may still have to face that particular unpleasantry if confronted. OTH, concealed is concealed. Unless you've actually had to draw and use your weapon, you should have ample opportunity to gracefully exit the area before being discovered

TAM is exactly 100% correct...IMO. 'nuff sad.

The Annoyed Man wrote:Of course, prosecution ≠ getting taken downtown. You may still have to face that particular unpleasantry if confronted. OTH, concealed is concealed. Unless you've actually had to draw and use your weapon, you should have ample opportunity to gracefully exit the area before being discovered

Don't "educate" the restaurant. If you want to ask TABC to investigate because you don't think the signs are posted right, contact TABC directly and don't mention the word gun. Just say you were at the restaurant and they were selling alcohol but you didn't see the TABC signs at the door. Let the TABC enforcement branch handle it.

Or let sleeping dogs lie.

LOL, saw the same thread on GT. Guessing you carry a G(##)?