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Anybody had experience good or bad with these?My son wants to buy a 9mm.Sure are inexpensive!transferable lifetime warr.I dont know though,American made but then again I dont know.Reliability? At the price I guess you cant expect much.

They are accurate and reliable with a horrible trigger and a cheap feel to them. But they are cheap so it works out. Good buy for sure. If you want better quality and to spend more money go for the Beretta CX4 or try to find a Keltec sub2000.

They're ugly, heavy, and have horrible triggers BUT the ones I see work OK.

They work. But you can do a lot better for not much more money in 9mm carbine.

A keltec sub2k that takes glock or beretta magazines (depending on the model) is a lightweight, backpack carryable option that will give you more capacity (up to 33 in block opposed to the 10 rounds of a hipoint).

Another fun option would be a sterling. Mags are a little harder to get/more expensive, but 34 rounds, folding stock and the mark 1s make an EXCELLENT candidate to be cut down as an SBR.

Either should be around 400 and would be far superior to the hipoint.

The KelTec Sub 2000 would be a better choice in my opinion. Get the one that takes Glock magazines and you can waste a pile of ammo in no time with the 30 round mag. BTW these guns are a black hole for ammo.

I have one but I haven't shot it in a while. When I did, it worked great want picky on ammo and no feed or fire issues. It is just ugly and cheap looking but it fires. It was my first rifle I got when 14 years ago. I was thinking about selling it since it just sits in a closet in a case and use the money for ammo and range time.

I've got one, although i got mine used. It has an ATI stock on it that makes it look like the Beretta, i like that actually. Also has a super cheap red dot. Anyway, yes it has a cheap feel, a disagreeable trigger, and the mag doesn't drop free (i have to pull it out). That said, it is a beater that I NEVER clean and it still runs. I run whatever cheap lead handloads I feed it without issue. Great fun. Mine isn't super accurate, maybe 3-4" groups at 50 yards. but that could be my bulk lead handloads or cheap red dot too, so i guess it isn't a fair comparison.

that said, the HiPoint customer service is second to none. I called them asking about the 'iron' rear sight assembly as mine didn't have one. They sent me one for free. I didn't ask for free, i was asking if they were available and how much $ so I could get it myself. they still sent a freebee w/o any question or hesitation.

I've shot my friends Kel-tec. the nice thing about that was the Glock mags. High capacity is VERY nice. but his has the folding skeleton stock and it is very uncomfortable to shoot. that is my limited experience w/ those.
we did back to back precision testing (accuracy) and they were on par with each other.

I guess I'm the dissenting voice here, in that I don't see the need for a pistol caliber chambered carbine any longer unless you're talking something with more grunt than 9mm like a .44 magnum chambered lever rifle. Of course, if all you're talking about is plinking, then maybe a 9mm makes some kind of sense.............BUT, if all you're talking about is plinking, then why not go with a .22 caliber carbine? The ammo is a LOT cheaper than 9mm, and there are a number of offerings out there, mimicking AR15, HK MP5, and other popular patterns.

Conversely, if you're talking about a purely self-defense weapon, then a carbine length firearm makes more sense with the 5.56/.223 caliber (or its Russian equivalent). In addition to the SUB-2000, Kel Tec also makes the SU-16 series of carbines. Yes, they are more expensive than the 9mm SUB-2000, but they cost less than an AR15, and they have the same advantage of the SUB-2000 in that they can be folded in half to aid in storage/concealment. They accept AR15 magazines of any capacity. The "C" version can be fired while folded. Other versions store two extra magazines in the buttstock. Most models have an integral bipod. Etc., etc., etc. There's just a lot to recommend one of these carbines for someone who either doesn't want to, or can't afford to invest in an AR15 for a rifle caliber carbine "truck gun."

TAM, I'll leave the discussion of the validity of PCCs to another thread, but he did mention his son wanting it (without giving an age, so his son may be 10 or 40).

Perhaps the boy already has a .22 rifle and is looking to "upgrade" just a tad without making a decision on a full sized rifle yet.

Just to play devils advocate. For all we know, his son doesn't need a trunk gun because he's not old enough to drive yet.

74novaman wrote:TAM, I'll leave the discussion of the validity of PCCs to another thread, but he did mention his son wanting it (without giving an age, so his son may be 10 or 40).

Perhaps the boy already has a .22 rifle and is looking to "upgrade" just a tad without making a decision on a full sized rifle yet.

Just to play devils advocate. For all we know, his son doesn't need a trunk gun because he's not old enough to drive yet.

Point taken. I guess I was in a rush to answer and missed out on that part.

74novaman wrote:TAM, I'll leave the discussion of the validity of PCCs to another thread

Decided this did warrant its own discussion in another thread so as not to hijack the OPs.

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The Annoyed Man wrote:I guess I'm the dissenting voice here, in that I don't see the need for a pistol caliber chambered carbine any longer unless you're talking something with more grunt than 9mm like a .44 magnum chambered lever rifle. Of course, if all you're talking about is plinking, then maybe a 9mm makes some kind of sense.............BUT, if all you're talking about is plinking, then why not go with a .22 caliber carbine? The ammo is a LOT cheaper than 9mm, and there are a number of offerings out there, mimicking AR15, HK MP5, and other popular patterns.

Conversely, if you're talking about a purely self-defense weapon, then a carbine length firearm makes more sense with the 5.56/.223 caliber (or its Russian equivalent). In addition to the SUB-2000, Kel Tec also makes the SU-16 series of carbines. Yes, they are more expensive than the 9mm SUB-2000, but they cost less than an AR15, and they have the same advantage of the SUB-2000 in that they can be folded in half to aid in storage/concealment. They accept AR15 magazines of any capacity. The "C" version can be fired while folded. Other versions store two extra magazines in the buttstock. Most models have an integral bipod. Etc., etc., etc. There's just a lot to recommend one of these carbines for someone who either doesn't want to, or can't afford to invest in an AR15 for a rifle caliber carbine "truck gun."

TAM, can't a person want or have a gun just for the fun of it? Or does it not exist in your Zen of gun ownership!

Dan20703 wrote:TAM, can't a person want or have a gun just for the fun of it? Or does it not exist in your Zen of gun ownership!

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Dan20703 wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:I guess I'm the dissenting voice here, in that I don't see the need for a pistol caliber chambered carbine any longer unless you're talking something with more grunt than 9mm like a .44 magnum chambered lever rifle. Of course, if all you're talking about is plinking, then maybe a 9mm makes some kind of sense.............BUT, if all you're talking about is plinking, then why not go with a .22 caliber carbine? The ammo is a LOT cheaper than 9mm, and there are a number of offerings out there, mimicking AR15, HK MP5, and other popular patterns.

Conversely, if you're talking about a purely self-defense weapon, then a carbine length firearm makes more sense with the 5.56/.223 caliber (or its Russian equivalent). In addition to the SUB-2000, Kel Tec also makes the SU-16 series of carbines. Yes, they are more expensive than the 9mm SUB-2000, but they cost less than an AR15, and they have the same advantage of the SUB-2000 in that they can be folded in half to aid in storage/concealment. They accept AR15 magazines of any capacity. The "C" version can be fired while folded. Other versions store two extra magazines in the buttstock. Most models have an integral bipod. Etc., etc., etc. There's just a lot to recommend one of these carbines for someone who either doesn't want to, or can't afford to invest in an AR15 for a rifle caliber carbine "truck gun."

TAM, can't a person want or have a gun just for the fun of it? Or does it not exist in your Zen of gun ownership!

Of course they can, and I own several for exactly that reason. As I already explained above prior to your post, I mistook the intent of this thread.

Thanks for all the replies! I ran across a used 9mm HIGH POINT carbine at a local pawn shop.My 13 year old son who does have a 22 rifle paid 250$ for it.Fun to shoot ,maybe a bit heavy but he loves it! trying to find larger mags.