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ATTN: Potential New Gun Owners

Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 9:16 pm
by Wysiwyg101
It's exciting isn't it? You've made the decision that you want to join a community that is several hundred years old. You want to buy a new gun. So, you come here and look around at what others have bought to see what may be good and what may be bad. You ask those same questions that hundreds of others before you have asked. What should I get? What caliber should I be looking at? What sort of prices should I be expecting? You're going to get many different answers. Because there are many answers.

Hopefully, you will get some questions first though. Questions like, what do you want to use it for? Just going to the range and popping off some rounds down range? Hunting? Self-protection? Home protection? What's your price range? Are you planning on getting your CHL (Concealed Handgun License)? All of those questions have to be answered first before you get serious about purchasing a firearm. For instance, let's say you want it just for popping rounds down range. A full size handgun might be something you want to look at seriously. The longer barrel will add to it's stability and your accuracy and quite frankly, you are worried about whether it's going to print through your shirt if you carry it concealed. Plus, it will hold more rounds typically. This is also a good gun for home protection for alot of the same reasons. Or, how about this, you've decided after doing a bit of research, you want to get a handgun you can carry concealed. You might look at a smaller more compact version of the full size gun you were thinking of getting. Is it just for home protection? Maybe a nice 12 gauge pump action shotgun would fill that bill. If you are thinking about hunting, then the game you are hunting will pretty much dictate what type of gun and caliber you are going to need.

Some responses you will see are: The only gun you will ever need is a (Fill in the blank here). Usually it's the 1911 addicts or the Glock freaks that are that adamant about their particular brand of guns. And, there is nothing at all wrong with either of those particular types of guns either. Hopefully they shoot when they are supposed just like everybody else's guns. But, IMHO, they aren't the end all be all of guns. Get the .45 caliber because of it's stopping capability. Hogwash. The .45 is a serious round, of that there is no doubt. But, if you shoot a bad guy in the chest with a 9mm they are going to go down hurt or dead. That's all there is to it.

Want to know what gun to buy? Here's what you do. Lurk here. In this forum. Read as many of the posts as you can about the different guns. See what has everybody excited. Right now, the gun that has everybody all excited is a new one put out by S&W called the Shield. There's almost always a gun out like this. A few months ago it was the Beretta Nano. Before that it was the Kimber Solo. Before that it was the....well, you get the point.

After lurking here, go to your local gun store. STOP!!! Do not get talked into buying anything. At least not just yet. Go look at some of the guns you've looked at in your research. By now there's a good chance you know as much about certain guns as the guy behind the counter. Maybe even more. Pick up those guns you are interested in. How does it feel in your hand. Tactile feel is just important as many other factors when purchasing a new gun. When you sight down the barrel (being very careful to not aim or sweep it over anybody) does it have a natural feel to it? if your gun store has a range where they rent guns for you to shoot, then by all means add that to your research. Shoot some 9mm or some .40 or some .45 down range.

Go to local gun shows. Do the same thing. Pick them up. Sometimes you can get a good deal at he gun shows and sometimes not. Feel free to negotiate with the seller. At gun shows, with many gun dealers all trying to sell the same thing, it is usually a buyers market.

Ok, how about calibers? There are as many different thoughts on this subject as in buying guns. Again, this could depend on what you want to buy the gun for. If you just want to shoot rounds down range, then maybe a .22 will help you out. .22 ammo is cheap cheap cheap. If you want the gun for other purposes, then maybe going with a stouter round would be better. IMHO, the .25 and the .32 are virtually useless. Not to say that those little rounds couldn't be deadly under the right circumstances, but the wind could blow them off course. There are folks who like the little .380's. It is a small caliber. Typical accepted rounds for revolvers include 38 Special or .357 Magnum. There are stouter rounds like the .44, .44 magnum, and the .45 LC or ACP, but those are generally the accepted ones. The most prevalent rounds for handguns include 9mm, .40, or .45. 9mm has some very reasonable prices. .40 and .45 are a little more expensive but hey, in this you have to make your own choices. There are those that say the .40 is a nice compromise between the 9mm and the .45. There are also those who say if you aren't shooting a .45 you're a wuss. I guess because they think name calling will get you to want a more "manly" round. Again, hogwash. Get what you are comfortable shooting. If it's a .45, then go for it.

The guns you might note that are owned and used by the various members of this forum include Springfield (either the XD or the XDm series), Kahr, Kel-tec, Ruger SR series, HK USP's, Sig Sauer, Beretta, CZ, Kimber, Ed Brown, Les Baer, S&W (M&P series), Taurus, Rock Island, Para Ordnance and a host of others. The Kimber, Ed Brown, Les Baer, Rock Island, and Para Ordnance are all 1911 guns. They are a bit hefty in the prices for some but, supposedly worth every penny. The Rock Island has a few reasonably priced 1911's under $500 but the rest don't. the HK, Sig, and Beretta were also mostly above the $500 range. Guns that are, for the most part, under $500 include Springfield, Kahr, Kel-tec, Taurus, S&W and Ruger. Taurus guns, based on my research, are ok guns. They go boom when they are supposed to, but they are considered to be lower end guns. One of the absolute lowest are Hi-Points. Oh, and that S&W M&P Shield? Currently it's $449. Which is not a bad price considering it's the new hot thing right now.

Now, I consider this post a primer (hahaha, nice pun there eh!!). I try and give you, the potential new gun owner, some basic guidelines in what and how to research getting a new firearm. There is one last thing I want to focus on. Gun safety. You are thinking about buying something that could have lethal consequences. Gun safety is critical to everyone in your house and to folks in your neighborhood. Take a gun safety course. Read up on the four basic rules of gun safety. 1.) The gun is ALWAYS loaded. 2.) Keep your finger OFF the trigger until you have your target in your sights. 3.) Do not sweep or allow the muzzle to cross anything you are not willing and wanting to destroy. 4.) Be aware of what is behind, beside, and in front of your target.

Once again, when you come across folks who are closed minded to ALL the gun possibilities, then treat their advice with a grain of salt. Have fun with this. Owning a gun, going to the range to put little holes in paper, being prepared to protect your family, it is definitely all worthwhile.

Short disclaimer: This is all IMHO and YMMV.

**Also, this post has been edited since it's original posting to attempt to take out as much of my personal preferences as possible.**

Re: ATTN: Potential New Gun Owners

Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 9:31 pm
by jmra
I really want to post an intelligent comment but I can only get half way thru the OP before I fall asleep. Then when I wake up, I have to start over because I can't remember how far I got. Of course I fall asleep again and ... You see where this is going. Can someone give me the abridged version?

Re: ATTN: Potential New Gun Owners

Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 9:40 pm
by apostate
jmra wrote:I really want to post an intelligent comment but I can only get half way thru the OP before I fall asleep. Then when I wake up, I have to start over because I can't remember how far I got. Of course I fall asleep again and ... You see where this is going. Can someone give me the abridged version?
Naps are a wonderful thing.

Re: ATTN: Potential New Gun Owners

Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 9:55 pm
by Wysiwyg101
jmra wrote:I really want to post an intelligent comment but I can only get half way thru the OP before I fall asleep. Then when I wake up, I have to start over because I can't remember how far I got. Of course I fall asleep again and ... You see where this is going. Can someone give me the abridged version?
I understand JMRA. Everything I just posted is old news to you. You already know all of this. That's why I'm very surprised at your response. You are and have been one of the veteran members of this group. Someone who has always been willing share a considerable amount of wisdom. Someone whose opinion I very much respected in most if not all of the posts I have seen. I would have expected that you would have read what I posted and either really critiqued it or added to it, since it is a primer (<---again, note the pun...lol) for potential new gun owners and not veterans like yourself.

I must say, I'm a bit disappointed in your response.

But, since you asked, I will give you what you asked for.

Abridged message: Ahem, potential new gun owners, research carefully your choice of firearms, don't listen to stodgy one gun type/caliber type people and use your gun wisely and safely.

Re: ATTN: Potential New Gun Owners

Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 10:00 pm
by The Annoyed Man
Wysiwyg101 wrote:Abridged message: Ahem, potential new gun owners, research carefully your choice of firearms, don't listen to stodgy one gun type/caliber type people and use your gun wisely and safely.
And then go out and buy a 1911 in .45 ACP......and don't listen to those Glock perverts. :smilelol5: "rlol"

Sorry.....the devil made me do it.

When I first started carrying, it was all about my 1911s. My first pistol—a 1943 vintage Ithaca 1911-A1 inherited from my father on his death—made me a believer in the platform. But over the years since, between my wife (who also has a CHL) and I, we have purchased 2 other 1911s (Kimber & Springfield), 3 Kahrs in .45 and 9mm, 3 S&W revolvers in .38 Special and .357 magnum, 1 S&W M&P45, and 1 Glock 19...........quite a range of different pistol types and calibers. The trend for EDC has been toward simplicity, which is why my two Kahrs (1 in .45 and 1 in 9mm) tend to get carried more frequently lately than my beloved 1911s. But, in terms of shooting accuracy, I tend to shoot my 1911s better than my other pistols.

To each his or her own.

Caliber wars? Meh. I don't feel underarmed with 9mm, but I do feel better armed with .45 ACP. OTH, .357 magnum pretty much knocks the crap out of whatever it hits, which is why I don't feel necessarily underarmed with a 5 shot snubby.

Again, to each his or her own.

Re: ATTN: Potential New Gun Owners

Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 10:29 pm
by 74novaman
If you're trying to write a newbie primer, take out the paragraph about your preferences and pricing limits. You can include price info if you want, but a newbie guide shouldn't be tailored specifically to your budget or taste.

Re: ATTN: Potential New Gun Owners

Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 10:42 pm
by Wysiwyg101
74novaman wrote:If you're trying to write a newbie primer, take out the paragraph about your preferences and pricing limits. You can include price info if you want, but a newbie guide shouldn't be tailored specifically to your budget or taste.
Hmmm, you are right. I did include the personal pronoun I way too much, indicating that it was my preference. I'll go back and change that. Thanks for bringing that up.

Re: ATTN: Potential New Gun Owners

Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 10:52 pm
by jmra
Wysiwyg101 wrote:
jmra wrote:I really want to post an intelligent comment but I can only get half way thru the OP before I fall asleep. Then when I wake up, I have to start over because I can't remember how far I got. Of course I fall asleep again and ... You see where this is going. Can someone give me the abridged version?
I understand JMRA. Everything I just posted is old news to you. You already know all of this. That's why I'm very surprised at your response. You are and have been one of the veteran members of this group. Someone who has always been willing share a considerable amount of wisdom. Someone whose opinion I very much respected in most if not all of the posts I have seen. I would have expected that you would have read what I posted and either really critiqued it or added to it, since it is a primer (<---again, note the pun...lol) for potential new gun owners and not veterans like yourself.

I must say, I'm a bit disappointed in your response.

But, since you asked, I will give you what you asked for.

Abridged message: Ahem, potential new gun owners, research carefully your choice of firearms, don't listen to stodgy one gun type/caliber type people and use your gun wisely and safely.
I guess I should have used the :mrgreen: face. I was just kidding. It was a good post and I agree that research is vital. I enjoy owning and shooting a number of different caliber handguns and rifles. I have settled on a Glock 23 as my ECD but am looking to purchase and incorporate a PM 9 into the rotation. I would also strongly urge those considering a firearm purchase to shoot as many weapons as you can get your hands on before making a decision. Again, great post that provides excellent information not only to first time buyers but also those looking not to make the same impulse purchase time and time again.

Re: ATTN: Potential New Gun Owners

Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 10:59 pm
by The Annoyed Man
Wysiwyg101 wrote:
74novaman wrote:If you're trying to write a newbie primer, take out the paragraph about your preferences and pricing limits. You can include price info if you want, but a newbie guide shouldn't be tailored specifically to your budget or taste.
Hmmm, you are right. I did include the personal pronoun I way too much, indicating that it was my preference. I'll go back and change that. Thanks for bringing that up.
Don't want to sound like Obama, now, do yah? "rlol"

Re: ATTN: Potential New Gun Owners

Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 11:05 pm
by Wysiwyg101
I guess I should have used the :mrgreen: face. I was just kidding. It was a good post and I agree that research is vital.
Yes, you should have used the kidding face. I take things that the serious veteran posters like you say seriously. Yes, I did just use the word serious and seriously in the same sentence. ;-)

I did give you what you asked for though. An abridged version...lol. Was it short enough for you?
I would also strongly urge those considering a firearm purchase to shoot as many weapons as you can get your hands on before making a decision.
Uhmm, I thought I did do this in Chapter, oops, I mean Paragraph 5 near the end.
I enjoy owning and shooting a number of different caliber handguns and rifles. I have settled on a Glock 23 as my ECD but am looking to purchase and incorporate a PM 9 into the rotation.
I went with a Ruger SR9C as my first choice. Once I get my plastic, it will be my EDC for now. I am planning on getting other firearms, even though my wife would prefer that I not do so. With that said, I went to the Bullet Trap the other day and their "free" rental gun was a PM9. It fired pretty well I thought. Some serious recoil tho. Started hurting the webbing in my hand after awhile. Then, I had seven rounds left to shoot in it and it quit. The RO said that evidently the "trigger retention spring" had evidently broken. That was disappointing to say the least. Of course, who knows how many thousands of rounds have been fired down the barrel of that rental gun too.

Re: ATTN: Potential New Gun Owners

Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 11:20 pm
by jmra
Wysiwyg101 wrote:
I guess I should have used the :mrgreen: face. I was just kidding. It was a good post and I agree that research is vital.
Yes, you should have used the kidding face. I take things that the serious veteran posters like you say seriously. Yes, I did just use the word serious and seriously in the same sentence. ;-)

I did give you what you asked for though. An abridged version...lol. Was it short enough for you?
I would also strongly urge those considering a firearm purchase to shoot as many weapons as you can get your hands on before making a decision.
Uhmm, I thought I did do this in Chapter, oops, I mean Paragraph 5 near the end.
I enjoy owning and shooting a number of different caliber handguns and rifles. I have settled on a Glock 23 as my ECD but am looking to purchase and incorporate a PM 9 into the rotation.
I went with a Ruger SR9C as my first choice. Once I get my plastic, it will be my EDC for now. I am planning on getting other firearms, even though my wife would prefer that I not do so. With that said, I went to the Bullet Trap the other day and their "free" rental gun was a PM9. It fired pretty well I thought. Some serious recoil tho. Started hurting the webbing in my hand after awhile. Then, I had seven rounds left to shoot in it and it quit. The RO said that evidently the "trigger retention spring" had evidently broken. That was disappointing to say the least. Of course, who knows how many thousands of rounds have been fired down the barrel of that rental gun too.
Was agreeing with you on shooting many different weapons (that's why I used the word "also"). :iagree: :cheers2: :biggrinjester: Thought I'd go overboard on the smiley faces to make up for not using one earlier. :lol::

Yep, that's the problem with rental guns. Very few are well maintained if at all, and all of them appear to have been much abused. The best thing for the newbe to do is seek out veteran shooters who are willing to let you shoot most everything in the safe. Surprisingly, there are many out there who are willing to do just that. I have read many stories on the forum about people meeting newbies at the range with bags full of guns. What a great community we a part of.

Re: ATTN: Potential New Gun Owners

Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 11:31 pm
by speedsix
Wysiwyg101 wrote:
jmra wrote:I really want to post an intelligent comment but I can only get half way thru the OP before I fall asleep. Then when I wake up, I have to start over because I can't remember how far I got. Of course I fall asleep again and ... You see where this is going. Can someone give me the abridged version?
I understand JMRA. Everything I just posted is old news to you. You already know all of this. That's why I'm very surprised at your response. You are and have been one of the veteran members of this group. Someone who has always been willing share a considerable amount of wisdom. Someone whose opinion I very much respected in most if not all of the posts I have seen. I would have expected that you would have read what I posted and either really critiqued it or added to it, since it is a primer (<---again, note the pun...lol) for potential new gun owners and not veterans like yourself.

I must say, I'm a bit disappointed in your response.

But, since you asked, I will give you what you asked for.

Abridged message: Ahem, potential new gun owners, research carefully your choice of firearms, don't listen to stodgy one gun type/caliber type people and use your gun wisely and safely.

...stodgy...I believe I've just been promoted... "rlol"

Re: ATTN: Potential New Gun Owners

Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 12:26 am
by M1911A1-Lover
For me its all about the 1911, I do however love the new Gen4 G19 my dad just picked one up saturday its pretty awesome, I also own a S&W sigma .40 but Nothing and I mean nothing IMO beats the accuracy of a 1911 and with good mags from either Tripp Research or Wilson Combat you cant go wrong at all.

Re: ATTN: Potential New Gun Owners

Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 12:39 am
by jmra
speedsix wrote:
Wysiwyg101 wrote:
jmra wrote:I really want to post an intelligent comment but I can only get half way thru the OP before I fall asleep. Then when I wake up, I have to start over because I can't remember how far I got. Of course I fall asleep again and ... You see where this is going. Can someone give me the abridged version?
I understand JMRA. Everything I just posted is old news to you. You already know all of this. That's why I'm very surprised at your response. You are and have been one of the veteran members of this group. Someone who has always been willing share a considerable amount of wisdom. Someone whose opinion I very much respected in most if not all of the posts I have seen. I would have expected that you would have read what I posted and either really critiqued it or added to it, since it is a primer (<---again, note the pun...lol) for potential new gun owners and not veterans like yourself.

I must say, I'm a bit disappointed in your response.

But, since you asked, I will give you what you asked for.

Abridged message: Ahem, potential new gun owners, research carefully your choice of firearms, don't listen to stodgy one gun type/caliber type people and use your gun wisely and safely.

...stodgy...I believe I've just been promoted... "rlol"
I re-read the entire OP and not once is the word stodgy used. Now if I had not asked for the abridged version you would not have received your promotion. I believe I have been vindicated! :mrgreen:

Re: ATTN: Potential New Gun Owners

Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 8:54 pm
by fizteach
There is a lot of good information in the original post, but when I read something such as this, I want to know the bonafides of the person who wrote the document. Did you come to these conclusions the past six months as you are new to gun ownership? Do you have any special training in your background such as military or law enforcement? Did your very knowledgable dad teach you everything you know?

I want to know these things about anyone trying to teach anything to anyone. Establishing your experience and background helps to connect the teacher to the audience.