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Or worse... The article says there were three assailants. At least "Justice for Treyvon's three non-hoodie-wearing, unrelated-to-him-at-all people" doesn't have much of a ring (it'd end up on a sign anyway though).philip964 wrote:http://www.wtsp.com/news/watercooler/ar ... drive-thru
She made the mistake of pointing out littering. So if she was a CHL and defended herself with her gun would she be in Zimmerman's shoes.
Yeah... you're only actually stuck if your car can't get through the hedge (I don't think mine could make it without damaging itself though).knotquiteawake wrote:In the drive through if there is a car in front of you and behind you then your route of escape is cut off too. Roll up the dang windows and jump the curb I guess.
This is why I need an suv or truck. I drive a 4 door pontiac grand prix. Its pretty low to the ground, even with stock springs. If I tried jumping any curbs in it, the situation might go badly for me...or the car...and with my luck, probably both.knotquiteawake wrote:In the drive through if there is a car in front of you and behind you then your route of escape is cut off too. Roll up the dang windows and jump the curb I guess.
Yes, she would be --at least if the lefties decided to make a cause celebre out of it. She's obviously a racist, and further more, just because the male (whose race won't be mentioned) called her a White "B...." doesn't mean it's a hate crime, although, her provocative call out of the alleged litterer may indeed be a hate crime. And anyway, how was this an assault.....all these people did was vigorously exercise their free speech rights and share a soft drink with her.philip964 wrote:http://www.wtsp.com/news/watercooler/ar ... drive-thru
She made the mistake of pointing out littering. So if she was a CHL and defended herself with her gun would she be in Zimmerman's shoes.
Really? If someone was beating on you, you wouldn't draw? I would definitely draw if they're approaching, and if anyone hits me while I'm sitting there, I'm defending myself. If they just throw grape soda and call me a 'whitey', I wouldn't shoot. Also, my window would sure as heck be closed.Valor wrote:It is certainly an assault http://law.onecle.com/texas/penal/22.01.00.html but I wouldn't be inclined to draw a weapon with the intent to discharge without it being an aggravated assault http://law.onecle.com/texas/penal/22.01.00.html.
philip964 wrote:http://www.wtsp.com/news/watercooler/ar ... drive-thru
She made the mistake of pointing out littering. So if she was a CHL and defended herself with her gun would she be in Zimmerman's shoes.
So, we've reached the point where it's "none of our business", except of course, we pay the taxes to pick up after the piggies, and if we mention it, we "provoked" them.speedsix wrote:philip964 wrote:http://www.wtsp.com/news/watercooler/ar ... drive-thru
She made the mistake of pointing out littering. So if she was a CHL and defended herself with her gun would she be in Zimmerman's shoes.
...if you mean wishing with all your heart you could have a do-over...she's probably already in his shoes...maybe she learned a lesson about minding her own business in public and not appointing herself to correct those around her...
...they were totally wrong and broke the law...she was totally wrong first and provoked the incident...had she kept her trap shut...it wouldn't have happened...
The definition of provoked is becoming less and less and less. It used to mean if you went up to someone and called them dirty names and told them about their momma--that was provoking. Now saying "thats not cool" to people throwing trash on the ground is "provoking" and can justify a beating? REALLY?!? Cause if that is the case then teachers the world over provoke people when they tell kids to pick up their trash. If this continues we are going to end up at a place where simply being somewhere is considered "provoking" and justifies a beating.speedsix wrote:...you could take the same pose about speeders...or shoplifters...and get maybe even more exciting results...there are people to report criminals to who are paid to deal with them...and that's our business...reporting them...mouthing off to a stranger in public is not...she provoked the beating...
I can't catch up with a speeder to tell them to slow down, but I have told people in my neighborhood that if they don't slow it down, I'm calling the police (and didn't get beaten for it). If I saw somone shoplifting, I very well might make it a point to tell them they were seen, and I could pretty well count on getting a response from the owners of the store if I reported it. If I reported a litterer to those "paid to deal with them", unless it was pretty extreme I'd be ignored.speedsix wrote:...you could take the same pose about speeders...or shoplifters...and get maybe even more exciting results...there are people to report criminals to who are paid to deal with them...and that's our business...reporting them...mouthing off to a stranger in public is not...she provoked the beating...
That place is called the UK, and yes, we're headed there ourselves. It's a class thing. If you littered and were corrected by an eco-Nazi and reacted the same way, you'd be guilty of assault because telling you "that's not cool" wouldn't be provocation. However, those deemed to be in the underclass are victims of society, IOW --people like you and me-- so any criticism, actual, suggested, implied, or just so interpreted by them, that comes from people like us, is provocation, and justifies whatever they do. Just like Mr. Martin being in whatever way considered suspicious by Mr. Zimmerman justifies Mr. Martin administering a beat-down.mamabearCali wrote:speedsix wrote:...you could take the same pose about speeders...or shoplifters...and get maybe even more exciting results...there are people to report criminals to who are paid to deal with them...and that's our business...reporting them...mouthing off to a stranger in public is not...she provoked the beating...mamabearCali wrote:The definition of provoked is becoming less and less and less. It used to mean if you went up to someone and called them dirty names and told them about their momma--that was provoking. Now saying "thats not cool" to people throwing trash on the ground is "provoking" and can justify a beating? REALLY?!? Cause if that is the case then teachers the world over provoke people when they tell kids to pick up their trash. If this continues we are going to end up at a place where simply being somewhere is considered "provoking" and justifies a beating.
In my haste, I posted the same statue twice. Here is aggravated assault http://law.onecle.com/texas/penal/22.02.00.html the primary differences between the two are the use of a deadly weapon and serious bodily injury. Make note, I said draw with the intent to discharge. The woman only exhibited bruises and a mild laceration on the finger. Are you willing to go before a grand jury and have your counsel argue that "serious" bodily injury resulted without the exhibition of a deadly weapon, yet you required no stitches, fracture bones, nor a concussion?Scott in Houston wrote:Really? If someone was beating on you, you wouldn't draw? I would definitely draw if they're approaching, and if anyone hits me while I'm sitting there, I'm defending myself. If they just throw grape soda and call me a 'whitey', I wouldn't shoot. Also, my window would sure as heck be closed.Valor wrote:It is certainly an assault http://law.onecle.com/texas/penal/22.01.00.html but I wouldn't be inclined to draw a weapon with the intent to discharge without it being an aggravated assault http://law.onecle.com/texas/penal/22.01.00.html.