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Posted: **Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:22 pm**

Probably a dumb question, but I'll ask it anyway.

I got some Militec-1 to try out based on the reviews here and elsewhere. I want to test this on one of my Glocks. The instructions say to apply, then fire and/or heat the gun, apply again, etc.

How do you guys do this is practice? One option seems to be to just take my gun to the range, fire 50 rounds, field strip it (with gloves on), re-coat with lube, fire, etc. My concern with that approach is that the gun would be dirty. Would you try to clean it before applying the Militec or not? If I give it a thorough cleaning, the gun will cool down.

The other approach seems to be that you would just place the dissasembled metal parts in the oven until they are hot. I'm assuming that I would just put them on a cookie sheet or something. Does this sounds right? It seems weird to put gun parts in an oven. Do I need to worry about noxious fumes or anything in my oven afterward? Also, is it possible to get the gun parts too hot in the oven so that they warp, etc? Obviously, I'm assuming that I want to leave the frame out of the oven, since it is plastic after all.

Lastly, exactly where do you apply the lube? I'm assuming metal to metal contact points, but not the inside of the barrel, chamber, etc? Is there and downside to putting this on the feed ramp of the chamber in particular? I have a Taurus that has FTF issues and I'm thinking this might help (assuming that everything goes well with the Glock).

Posted: **Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:30 pm**

I'm not asking to be obnoxious, but didn't the product come with some kind of detailed instructions for the novice? If it didn't, I would suggest checking their website. Maybe they have some videos or something.

Posted: **Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:36 pm**

Here you go: http://www.militec-1.com/applicationinstructions1.html

INITIAL TREATMENT: Applying MILITEC-1 to a firearm for the first time is a two-step process: (1) Application and (2) Firing.

STEP ONE: APPLICATION. Now that the firearm is clean and dry, apply a light film of MILITEC-1 to all surfaces, including the bore. Burnish/polish MILITEC-1 into exterior surfaces by rubbing rapidly using a cloth lightly dampened with MILITEC-1. Sparingly apply drops into the action, concentrating on springs, moving parts and metal-to-metal contact areas. If your firearm has a magazine, be sure to apply MILITEC-1 both inside and out. Leave a very light film of MILITEC-1 on all surfaces during reassembly. Now proceed to Step Two.

STEP TWO: FIRING. Once you fire your weapon enough times to reach operating temperatures, the heat and friction will activate MILITEC-1, strengthening the bonding process that was started in Step One. While firing, MILITEC-1 creates a self-lubricating, water-repelling, dry compound within the gunmetal.

Additional Application Instructions: If Step Two is not immediately possible, consider applying low heat to the firearm to facilitate the bonding process until you can perform Step Two. In field conditions, place your lubed firearm in the sun underneath black plastic or a similar ventilated heat source for at least two hours. Alternatively, you may use a heat gun, hairdryer, burnishing or polishing tool to heat the gunmetal. In heat controlled environments, do not exceed 150° F (65° C). In all applications that require heat to condition the firearm, always insure proper ventilation and wear protective clothing. Please consult our MSDS for additional information.

ULTIMATE PROTECTION: To maximize the effects of MILITEC-1, repeat Step One and Step Two while the firearm is still hot from the first firing session. MILITEC-1's impregnated molecular bond intensifies during the next 2-3 applications on hot gunmetal. MILITEC-1 has now become a physical part of the gunmetal.

Posted: **Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:32 pm**

The Annoyed Man wrote:I'm not asking to be obnoxious, but didn't the product come with some kind of detailed instructions for the novice? If it didn't, I would suggest checking their website. Maybe they have some videos or something.

Thanks for the website. The actual bottle has instructions for various applications, but just says to "fire or heat" the gun. I was looking for more pragmatic advice on specific approaches that folks have taken.

Posted: **Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:37 pm**

Careful waht you put in the oven. Some gun have internal plastic parts you can see. A Glock slide for instance, even if you fully strip it, still has a plastic sleeve in the striker channel - and it can be difficult to remove. I have tried Militec and didn't really feel it was better than other products - I think Breakfree does just as good without heating. There is no magic lubricant - take it from a unashamed gadget freak that has tried just about all of them. I pretty much now use Breakfree to clean and lube, then put a tab of Mobile 1 where needed and/or Tetra Grease on heavy load bearing areas - seems to work well and Breakfree once it is wiped off seem to leave a film that doesn't attract dirt very much.

Posted: **Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:38 pm**

OK,

First clean your gun. I fully field strip my pistols then use isopropyl alcohol on a cleaning patch to rub down all surfaces.
I do this to remove all other oils on the pistol before applying the first coating of Militec.

You do not need to get your pistol blazing hot. You can merely place the parts on a towel outside in the sun for 15 minutes or so. You can also use a heat gun set on low to gently warm the metal. While the metal is warm apply a liberal coating of Miltec. Let the parts sit in a cool dry place for 30 or 40 minutes. Wipe the parts down with a towel or microfiber cloth and reassemble.

I apply a light coating of Militec on sliding parts after treatment. I dab a couple of drops of Militec on a q-tip and then wipe the q-tip on the spots needing lube.

The abbreviated version is to just skip the heating step. Lube your pistol with Militec. Shoot it until it warms up. Take it home. Wipe it down and repeat. After you do this a few times you are done.

I follow the same steps when I use froglube. I am running a long term multiple pistol test of Froglube versus Militec. So far I have not formed a preference between these two lubes.

Posted: **Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:50 pm**

Leave it in the trunk while shopping.

Posted: **Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:07 pm**

I shoot a Beretta Cougar and that pistol uses a rotating barrel system for recoil control.

A couple years ago, I was having serious issues. None of my Cougs would operate once they got up to temperature. I stumbled across some information that pointed out that I had never lubed the area where the breach of the barrel rubs against the slide. Quite frankly and foolishly, it never occurred to me to do so.

I stripped down my pistol, placed the parts in a toaster oven for a little “top brown” and then applied a thin film of Miltec1 grease to the normal areas and then to the breach of the barrel. I then let it cool and wiped off the excess.

After thousands of rounds since then, I’ve never once had a failure of any kind. It just keeps eating it up. I’ve since done the same thing to the outside of all my mags. Just heat up the mag, put a thin film all over, let it cool, wipe it down and now those dudes drop out of my pistol like a scalded dog.

Heating the metal causes the grease to “bond” with the metal. I don’t know (or care) how it works. I just know that it does.

I’m sure any synthetic grease would work. I got some Militec years ago and haven’t had a need to get any more or to change.

Posted: **Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:13 pm**

An instructor at a training class told me that Militec-1 and Mobil 1 Full Synthetic Oil are the same thing. I have not looked at any MSDSs but they look, smell, and feel similar.

I have been using Mobil 1 for about a year. It works great and the price is right.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

Posted: **Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:49 pm**

I've used an oven on low temp. Don't put polymer parts in.

Posted: **Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:49 pm**

Use your wife's heat gun (blow dryer) you don't have to get it much over 100 degrees for the bonding to take place. Clean it oil it and lock it in the passenger compartment of your vehicle parked in the sun for about four hours. That'll do the trick.

Posted: **Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:01 am**

I'll also add, that IMHO, Militec-1 is overkill for the Glock. In Glock Armorer's Course, they'll tell you that the number one reason of Glock malfunction is total lack of lube, the second is too much lube.

For my duty pistol, a G21SF, I put a dab of oil on my finger and lightly apply it the outside of the barrell - and then even less for for the inside of the slide. A tiny drop in each of the slide rails, and that's it. A full Militec-1 treatment seems redunctant with the Glock finish being self lubing.

Posted: **Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:59 am**

LeonCarr wrote:I have not looked at any MSDSs but they look, smell, and feel similar.

What about the taste?

Here is a link to the composition of Militec-1

1-Decene, tetramer, mixed with 1-Decene trimer, hydrogenated 68649-12-7 15 - 30
Distillates (Petroleum), Hydrotreated Light 64742-47-8 15 - 30
Distillates (petroleum), hydrotreated light naphthenic 64742-53-6 10 - 13
Calcium dinonylnaphthalene sulfonate 57855-77-3 7 - 10
Solvent naphtha (petroleum), medium aliph. 64742-88-7 1 - 3
Kerosine (petroleum) 8008-20-6 1 - 3
Oxirane, methyl-, polymer with oxirane 9003-11-6 0.5 - 1
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Here is a link to the MSDS for Mobil 1.
http://www.ifa.hawaii.edu/instr-shop/MS ... 05W-30.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

They are not the same thing.

Posted: **Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:28 am**

gigag04 - Do you not put a drop or so on what I have read is the most important lube point on the Glock, the connector/trigger bar?

Posted: **Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:27 pm**

I tasted motor oil as a child and did not like it, so no Militec-1 or Mobil 1 for me

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

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