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ATF entraps a law-abiding gun store owner and his family.
They did everything right, squeaky clean, upright citizens.

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THIS IS ABSOLUTELY SICKENING, AND WORDS CANNOT EXPRESS HOW ANGRY THIS MAKES ME!!!!

Thomas Jefferson was right about the tree of liberty and the blood of patriots. This is exactly the kind of excesses which lead to armed rebellions. It is not only evil, mendacious, and criminal, it is downright dangerous and irresponsible because the blood of people who die defending freedom is on the heads of the evil despots that drove them to it.

This is not really that un-typical of the Feds and the ATF. Think Ruby Ridge. I had a friend (resident alien) who was set up by a guy in his neighborhood who watched his house and fed his dogs when he was gone for extended periods on his job. He arrived back from Brazil and was immediately raided by the ATF. The Feds went directly to a dresser drawer, pulled it out and retieved a silencer. He got seven years and was then deported. The person who set him up had help from the ATF to fortify his credibilty as a witness in a bombing case in Houston. He was originally charged with the bombing, but got immunity by testifying against his conspirators.

I think the root of the problem is DAs that will do anything to win a case, so they can build a strong record when they eventually run for public office. No matter how ruinous it is to the innocent. Japan has it much worse. We need to find a way to Hold Defense Attorneys accountable on a per case basis

The line of BATF abuse of FFL's goes back decades. Nothing surprises me, yet it is still disgusting. I'll say it again, Henry Bowman had the right idea.

Rex B wrote:ATF entraps a law-abiding gun store owner and his family.
They did everything right, squeaky clean, upright citizens.

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Rick and Terri Reese (and their sons) make news a lot

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IIRC, they got harassed for some Second Amendment Bumper stickers before all this too

What is wrong with these people??
Do we need to march on a federal building somewhere?



ETA - fat-fingered that one!

Rex B wrote:What is wrong with these people??
Do we need to match on a federal building somewhere?

What? Please clarify what you are asking here? I hope I am not misreading or misunderstanding.

I assume he meant march on a federal bldg. Just my opinion.

SSGMWP wrote:I assume he meant march on a federal bldg. Just my opinion.

Ah, march. Yes. That's much better than what I thought he meant. I see the "r" right next to the "t" there on the keyboard.

Now every time I see a Rex B post I will imagine a pyromanic tyrannosauras

Sounds like a typical Fed "sting" to me. This has been going on for a long time....remember the FBI and the "Olympic bomber" years ago? They tricked the guy into signing a "confession" by telling him it would help their investigation. Didn't matter to them at all that the guy was innocent or that they knew the confession claim was a lie. Nearly ALL of the supposed "terrorist" stings follow the same MO --lies and trickery to create the impression of a crime that only exists because it was orchestrated by the Feds. A lot of these prosecutions are so ridiculous that they fail in court and the jury acquits, but the Feds don't seem to care. They get the publicity for the fake arrests, and the trial, months or years later, is like an afterthought. I don't think we've all that long before DHS becomes synonymous with KGB.

How the heck did we get to this point, where Federal officers can ruin the lives of law-abiding citizens just to enhance their arrest record.
How do we address an abuse like is being done to this family?

Rex B wrote:How the heck did we get to this point, where Federal officers can ruin the lives of law-abiding citizens just to enhance their arrest record.
How do we address an abuse like is being done to this family?

We [the collective "we"] got to this point by not paying attention, and being willing to sacrifice tiny increments of personal freedom in order to obtain tiny increments of societal and political security and stability. Over the past 147 years, the changes have aggregated to resemble nothing that anybody from the 19th century back would recognize as consistent with constitutional government.

The reason I use the figure "147 years" is that the Civil War (or whatever you want to call it) ended 147 years ago in 1865. That war, for better or for worse, radically changed the balance of power between the federal government and the several states. An overbearing and strong central government is the only thing any of us alive today has ever known, so we have nothing really experientially for living any other way. So The People accept it as normal and business as usual, and they have no experience of or knowledge about (other than book learnin') a time when individual state sovereignty was a true legal roadblock to federal ambitions.

It's only going to get worse, not better. Not even a (precious to some) Ron Paul would have the stones or the clout to dismantle all of those bureaucracies. Homeland Security is here to stay. No president elected from here forward will have what it takes to dismantle it. And democrats, believing that government is the primary job engine, will block any attempt to dismantle any such bureaucracy based on their belief that those government jobs (and the union controls they represent) are desirable—no matter what price in personal freedom is paid by the electorate.

For their own part, the electorate is too cowardly to do "whatever it takes" (and you can be free to define that for yourself) to roll it all back.

That's how we got to this point.

The Annoyed Man wrote:

Rex B wrote:How the heck did we get to this point, where Federal officers can ruin the lives of law-abiding citizens just to enhance their arrest record.
How do we address an abuse like is being done to this family?

We [the collective "we"] got to this point by not paying attention, and being willing to sacrifice tiny increments of personal freedom in order to obtain tiny increments of societal and political security and stability. Over the past 147 years, the changes have aggregated to resemble nothing that anybody from the 19th century back would recognize as consistent with constitutional government.

The reason I use the figure "147 years" is that the Civil War (or whatever you want to call it) ended 147 years ago in 1865. That war, for better or for worse, radically changed the balance of power between the federal government and the several states. An overbearing and strong central government is the only thing any of us alive today has ever known, so we have nothing really experientially for living any other way. So The People accept it as normal and business as usual, and they have no experience of or knowledge about (other than book learnin') a time when individual state sovereignty was a true legal roadblock to federal ambitions.

It's only going to get worse, not better. Not even a (precious to some) Ron Paul would have the stones or the clout to dismantle all of those bureaucracies. Homeland Security is here to stay. No president elected from here forward will have what it takes to dismantle it. And democrats, believing that government is the primary job engine, will block any attempt to dismantle any such bureaucracy based on their belief that those government jobs (and the union controls they represent) are desirable—no matter what price in personal freedom is paid by the electorate.

For their own part, the electorate is too cowardly to do "whatever it takes" (and you can be free to define that for yourself) to roll it all back.

That's how we got to this point.

There is only 8 years left to get rid of Homeland and tsA. After that there will be voters who live their entire lives with those groups and don't know that they aren't really needed