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Thinking of Security Awareness in the Work place..
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:13 pm
by Reysc
We conduct quarterly safety meetings with supervisors and key personnel and subjects/topics range from Fire drills to basic safety awareness. It is getting to be a very dangerous world out there and I would like to introduce at least a basic security awareness and plans in the event something happens. I work for a COUNTRY CLUB in the DFW/TX area. At a given shift we have an average of 30-40 employees int he club house and 100-200 members. I am thinking of a brief 30-45 minute sessions. I have never done this before so I called some friends at Dallas County Sheriff's Office to see if I can borrow/have some training reference materials and they promised to do something for me. If you have some info/links anything I can use in putting together a manual or guidelins, I will surely appreciate it.
I don't have anything in the budget yet but depending on my progress in this project, I am sure I can get some funding so I can make this an ongoing project.
IN THE MEANTIME i AM THINKING OF POSTING A SIGN THAT NO FIREARMS/KNIVES/DEADLY WEAPONS ARE ALLOWED IN CLUB PROPERTY!

joke!!
If you got anything you would like to share please shoot me an email or p.m...
Thanks in advance for any help you can extend me..
ReySC
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:21 pm
by stevie_d_64
You the man Ray!!!
I believe there are several people who would like to take part in the "death by chocolate" routine again...I cannot guarantee that we will be unarmed...
I believe you have a great idea there...Thats good business sense to think outside the box, even at that country club there...I know you are on your way with getting that info from DCSO, and I am sure you can formulate a custom plan for the club, its members and staff...
You'll get all the support you'll need from here...
Good show!!!
Re: Thinking of Security Awareness in the Work place..
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:49 pm
by Chris
i'm licensed by the state of Texas to provide a full blown crime prevention inspection, and trained in crime prevention through environmental design. i can get people up to a 15% discount on their homeowner's insurance.

i have tons of hard copy material on the topic.
i've done security surveys for huge construction companies and projects, residences, and all kinds of other commercial establishments. the worst one i did was a chemical company. the terrorist thing all of the sudden got them concerned about security. they had the worst security of any place, and they absolutely did not want to spend a penny on it (i don't know why they even called me). and to think this place was right next to a major highway, in the middle of DFW, and an explosion there would have leveled the radius of a half mile to a mile, and resulted in evacuation of half the metroplex. some people just don't have a clue. luckily they moved a little while after that.
a lot of places don't realize it, but when a security survey is done, it is basically written notification from a subject matter expert that there are known security concerns to the company. i usually have to explain this part in depth before doing the survey, and a handful have declined to continue. part of getting a lawsuit filed against a company for negligence requires foreseeability. in other words, the owner, or person in charge now knows there is a problem, and if they don't take steps to remedy it, they can be held liable, should something happen as a result of them not fixing the issue. in the survey, i might address things they would have not known about otherwise, and could use that as a defense later. when i do a survey, i usually provide the best and most optimal solution, then the most economically feasible option that still addresses the concern. no one should skimp on security, but it's the one thing you won't see any results from. if you beef up security, you might not ever know if it prevented anything. it's hard for managers to justify expenses on stuff that might never happen.
depending on the establishment, and what they're looking to address, these security reports can get pretty involved. the smallest one i ever did for a commercial place was 18 pages. the biggest looked like a novel.
i could go on and on about security issues. a lot of things are pretty simple concepts, and can easily be taught to employees. there are things employers can do to make security a mindset in employees too. if you are serious about it, i can give you my phone number and we can discuss it. like i said, it's a pretty in depth topic.
Re: Thinking of Security Awareness in the Work place..
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:57 pm
by Reysc
Chris wrote:i'm licensed by the state of Texas to provide a full blown crime prevention inspection, and trained in crime prevention through environmental design. i can get people up to a 15% discount on their homeowner's insurance.

i have tons of hard copy material on the topic.
i've done security surveys for huge construction companies and projects, residences, and all kinds of other commercial establishments. the worst one i did was a chemical company. the terrorist thing all of the sudden got them concerned about security. they had the worst security of any place, and they absolutely did not want to spend a penny on it (i don't know why they even called me). and to think this place was right next to a major highway, in the middle of DFW, and an explosion there would have leveled the radius of a half mile to a mile, and resulted in evacuation of half the metroplex. some people just don't have a clue.
luckily they moved a little while after that.
a lot of places don't realize it, but when a security survey is done, it is basically written notification from a subject matter expert that there are known security concerns to the company. i usually have to explain this part in depth before doing the survey, and a handful have declined to continue. part of getting a lawsuit filed against a company for negligence requires foreseeability. in other words, the owner, or person in charge now knows there is a problem, and if they don't take steps to remedy it, they can be held liable, should something happen as a result of them not fixing the issue. in the survey, i might address things they would have not known about otherwise, and could use that as a defense later. when i do a survey, i usually provide the best and most optimal solution, then the most economically feasible option that still addresses the concern. no one should skimp on security, but it's the one thing you won't see any results from. if you beef up security, you might not ever know if it prevented anything. it's hard for managers to justify expenses on stuff that might never happen.
depending on the establishment, and what they're looking to address, these security reports can get pretty involved. the smallest one i ever did for a commercial place was 18 pages. the biggest looked like a novel.
i could go on and on about security issues. a lot of things are pretty simple concepts, and can easily be taught to employees. there are things employers can do to make security a mindset in employees too. if you are serious about it, i can give you my phone number and we can discuss it. like i said, it's a pretty in depth topic.
Thanks for your inputs. If you like you can p.m. me your email addy and we can go from there. However, as I have stated earlier I am not in a position yet to go that extensive. I am just starting w/ baby steps towards security awareness.
Thanks again.
Pick me! Pick me!
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:01 am
by The Marshal
Rey,
I will
take one for the team and gladly
volunteer to be used as a test dummy/suspect for your 'drills' if you need me.
Just let me know what the Menu is that day, and I'll let you know if I can make it....
~Bill
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:14 am
by Reysc
You don't need to work that hard,buddy!! Menu ?? Mardi Gras Friday night! Wanna have some Cajun food/ Crawfish Galore??? Hurricanes and Mardi-Ritas ???
Back to the subject, it's just like a fire drill. What to do, where to go/retreat/hide .. Radio codes to announce threats/break ins/robbery. Those kind of stuff. Just something basic to begin w/ and foster awareness. I won't be needing "dummies" yet

!! I already have a few in the payroll.. Wanna go to the gunshow this weekend ??
Re: Thinking of Security Awareness in the Work place..
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 6:35 am
by Liberty
Chris wrote:
depending on the establishment, and what they're looking to address, these security reports can get pretty involved. the smallest one i ever did for a commercial place was 18 pages. the biggest looked like a novel.
Do your reports ever include reccomendations of removal repressive antigun policys and suggest letting CHL holders carry?
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:59 am
by Popshot
Reysc,
You are going at this in a well-thought out manner.
When determining your curriculum, please consider one other very important issue: Is the management and/or membership receptive to learning about serious safety concerns? If so, are they willing to take action? Without these conditions, success is questionable.
I hope your people are receptive and can learn from you.
Re: Thinking of Security Awareness in the Work place..
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:36 am
by Chris
Liberty wrote:Chris wrote:
depending on the establishment, and what they're looking to address, these security reports can get pretty involved. the smallest one i ever did for a commercial place was 18 pages. the biggest looked like a novel.
Do your reports ever include reccomendations of removal repressive antigun policys and suggest letting CHL holders carry?
oh no. that opens me up to civil liability. my recommendations are for physical security only. what sort of flexibility that place offers its customers is between them, and their customers. i can certainly offer my opinion on the subject, as i do hold a valid CHL, but i would never put that in writing as any sort of suggestion or recommendation. i've only had it come up once, but i would never suggest that a company allow it. that could easily come back to bite me. in that one instance, i basically explained to the owner what the process was, and what his rights were as a business owner. i think he was just interested in a CHL for himself.

Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:45 am
by Reysc
Popshot wrote:Reysc,
You are going at this in a well-thought out manner.
When determining your curriculum, please consider one other very important issue: Is the management and/or membership receptive to learning about serious safety concerns? If so, are they willing to take action? Without these conditions, success is questionable.
I hope your people are receptive and can learn from you.
Good point you brought out Popshot and the answer is says the board is very receptive about security concerns. This is a private non-profit member owned organization and has been in existintence since 1911. March 1 is my first session and I will let you know how it goes. A couple friends from the sheriff's office will help me..
Thanks again!
Rey
Re: Thinking of Security Awareness in the Work place..
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:03 pm
by KBCraig
Chris wrote:Liberty wrote:Do your reports ever include reccomendations of removal repressive antigun policys and suggest letting CHL holders carry?
oh no. that opens me up to civil liability. my recommendations are for physical security only. what sort of flexibility that place offers its customers is between them, and their customers.
That's understandable. And I assume the reverse is also true: that you don't recommend banning, nor go out of your way to explain 30.06 signage.
Kevin
Re: Thinking of Security Awareness in the Work place..
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:50 pm
by Chris
KBCraig wrote:Chris wrote:Liberty wrote:Do your reports ever include reccomendations of removal repressive antigun policys and suggest letting CHL holders carry?
oh no. that opens me up to civil liability. my recommendations are for physical security only. what sort of flexibility that place offers its customers is between them, and their customers.
That's understandable. And I assume the reverse is also true: that you don't recommend banning, nor go out of your way to explain 30.06 signage.
Kevin
it's never come up. i suspect that most places that are concerned with security are a little more gun savvy than the anti types. one company owner, the one i mentioned earlier, ended up being a big gun type and i spent probably another hour at that business chatting about firearms and hunting trips. he invited me back to stop by and chat again.
one case that comes to mind was one against allstate. if i recall, they allowed an employee to resign in lieu of termination. he had brought a gun to work, violating company policy. another insurance company hired him later after allstate gave him a good recommendation. that same guy was hired by the other insurance company, and subsequently brought a gun to work and shot several of his co-workers. allstate was later a party to the suit, and it set a clear precedence for negligent hiring. but as you can see, if some security person had said it would be a good idea to let employees bring weapons to work, then whose head would be the one in the noose?
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:28 pm
by kw5kw
The guy that you mentioned had to go to work somewhere, and quite possibly he would have 'snapped', if that's the right word--or not, no matter if he'd gone to Taco Cabana.
Sometimes, with your voluminous reports, might you just vocally add something like: "And, it's totally up to you, but in your employee manual you might consider: '... the illegal possession of a firearm is prohibited upon company property..." The verbage of 'illegal possession' and the fact that you said it vocally, not written could make a difference, don't you think?
R