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White House spokesman Josh Earnest said Monday that President Obama will "evaluate" a new bill that would ban online ammunition sales in the wake of the shooting massacre in Aurora, Colo. That left 12 dead and dozens more injured.

During the daily press briefing, Mr. Earnest was asked whether Mr. Obama supports the measure, which aims to end sales of unlimited amounts of ammunition on the Internet and other mail orders. The bill also would force ammunition dealers to report large sales of bullets and other munitions to law enforcement authorities

Whelp, what's gonna happen for us reloaders? I got through thousands of bullets a month shooting my .45 :(

the assault is not just at the movie theather... its on our rights

Even if it gets to the floor of the Senate, Reid will not allow a vote on it.

But even if MaoBama pressures him to bring it to a vote, it will not pass. It is political suicide and the members know it.

If they have local shops report "large quantity" ammo sales, how do they define that? 250 rounds? 500? That may seem like a large quantity to some anti-gunner but we all know that's one good day on the range.

Not only that, but if they do report that, does the gov't keep a running count? Would we need to prove dispensation of the ammo? "Mr. Kythas, we've noticed over the last 5 years you've purchased approximately 100,000 rounds of 5.56 ammunition and 250,000 rounds of .40 caliber ammunition, along with lesser quantities of .38 Special +P and .380 acp. We'd like to either know where that ammunition currently is or we need proof from you that you've used it up. Otherwise we may consider you a national security threat."

How would a person prove he's shot the ammo that's been reported? Would I have to keep a paper trail of ammo shot each time I'm at the range? Would this need to be certified by a range officer?

What about reloaders? Would they also ban online sales of brass, powder, and bullets? Regulate and report large quantity sales of those, too?

Kythas wrote:What about reloaders? Would they also ban online sales of brass, powder, and bullets? Regulate and report large quantity sales of those, too?

If they ban bullets, what about casting materials? Lathes? Copper, steel, brass, lead, tungsten, uranium (oh oops)?

They won't vote on this before the election or even after in all likelihood. If reelected, expect Obama to impose some control through an executive order to BATF.

Gosh, does it ever stop!?!

James Holmes fired maybe 100 bullets and shells, two small boxes. How is banning internet sales of ammunition or reporting large ammunition sales going to do anything at all to make anyone safer.

My friend Wyman in West Texas posted on Facebook this saying:

"Restricting gun sales is like, reducing drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to buy a car."

There is more on the proposed bill here: http://njtoday.net/2012/07/30/lautenber ... z22889Z2Ru

It requires licensed ammunition dealers to report the sale of more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition to an unlicensed person within any five consecutive business days.

This ain't good...

Gosh, does it ever stop!?!

no.
its not about safety, security, or even guns. Its about power and control (with the utopian "we know what's best for you" view thrown in for good measure). Once guns and ammo are banned (and crime shoots up) it'll be followed by knife control, registration of baseball bats, special licenses to 'access' golf clubs (you don't need to "own" clubs - just sign out a set at the golf club after fingerprinting and background check).

http://www.ammoland.com/2009/09/06/uk-s ... z22A4vCUg5" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

In fact, I think increased crime after a ban helps further the arguments of those who would control every aspect of our lives. "..increased crime after banning 'menacing hand weapons' means we still have work to do......perhaps we need a DNA database of all subjects..er... citizens..."

http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/rkba/viol ... un_ban.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Not all who want to control objects have nefarious intent, however. There are many (ill-informed) who actually believe that controlling/banning inanimate objects actually will have the desired effect (read: prohibition). I can't find a reference yet, but I had heard that a former Premier (read: Governor) of Ontario Canada propose that police stop carrying guns "..because then the criminals wouldn't feel a need to.." and everyone would be safe. idiot.

CowboyEngineer wrote:They won't vote on this before the election or even after in all likelihood. If reelected, expect Obama to impose some control through an executive order to BATF.

How can they legally regulate sellers that don't manufacture ammo through executive fiat - I didn't think BATF had such authority over non-manufacturing sellers - what am I missing?

Slowplay wrote:

CowboyEngineer wrote:They won't vote on this before the election or even after in all likelihood. If reelected, expect Obama to impose some control through an executive order to BATF.

How can they legally regulate sellers that don't manufacture ammo through executive fiat - I didn't think BATF had such authority over non-manufacturing sellers - what am I missing?

They can do it the same way that they are implementing the Kyoto treaty without the Senate ratifying it and the Dream Act without the Congress passing it. In fact that didn't pass a couple of times. No matter. It gets implemented anyway.

The rule of law left with the Constitution on the last train.

I have to wonder who planted that story to cause another 2008 type rush to 'buy and horde' ammo and guns stampede, eh?

tomtexan wrote:Gosh, does it ever stop!?!

No, because it is not really about reducing crime. The primary goals of every politician and government (and those who control both from behind the scenes) are the acquisition, extention, and exercise of power by a small elite over a large population. All of this is for the fun and profit of the elite and done so that they may better exploit the peasantry. It is just a return to a nobility-peasantry society with guess who and the nobility.

That is why these attacks on our gun rights will never stop. The history of creating an unarmed and helpless peasantry ripe for exploitation by an elite is as old as history itself. We can never relax unless we want our children and grandchildren to live under tyranny.

Oldgringo wrote:I have to wonder who planted that story to cause another 2008 type rush to 'buy and horde' ammo and guns stampede, eh?

Its NOT a rumor, Oldgringo...its in a bill by the usual antis...then they went and attached an amendment to a "popular" (with the Senators) bill on cybersecurity...so, like I said, no rumor...how much TRACTION it gets remains to be seen, but it is real.