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Did any of you read this? There might actually be some new thoughts about this hackneyed topic.

http://www.americanrifleman.org/article ... ing-power/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/0 ... ing-power/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yeah I read it. Was disappointed that a couple of my favorite loads didn't measure up to their standard. Was surprised at a couple others that did.

I love my 1911 .45's. But the king of the hill is still the .357mag!

I love how he only did one for the 10mm. Of course there is nothing really new from this info that we don't already know. I would just like to say that all those who doubt the .32 H&R properly loaded and the .327 mag are seriously under estimating those cartridges in the penetration department. Great rounds!

I wish Speer would load the gold dot 100 grain for the .32 H&R. Talk about good penetration, expansion and little recoil. Oh well.

CC Italian wrote:I love how he only did one for the 10mm.

I went back and read it again based on your 10mm statement. Their 10mm performance doesn't make sense. It's penetration has to be a misprint. The 40 with the same bullet did better with a much lower muzzle velocity!

I found some useful information in the article. I will scan and save the data for future reference.

Richard Mann, Field Editor wrote:This makes choosing the handgun/bullet combination simple—you want the combination that penetrates to a sufficient depth and damages the most tissue in the process.

The above was the writers last statement which is hardly a new or groundbreaking observation. After reading I failed to see that anything new came out of the article.

Shot placement is still king, and the best gun in the world is the one that's loaded and within reach when you need it.

AEA wrote:I love my 1911 .45's. But the king of the hill is still the .357mag!

This is why, even though I love me some .45 ACP, I do not feel particularly underarmed with a 5 shot snubbie stoked with .357 magnum Critical Defense ammo.

philbo wrote:After reading I failed to see that anything new came out of the article.

Shot placement is still king, and the best gun in the world is the one that's loaded and within reach when you need it.

The highlighted portion is what I thought was "new". All of the articles that I have read in the past talk about caliber, kinetic energy, penetration, wound path, blood loss, tissue damgage, etc. I don't recall any of them talking about physical pain.

"Regardless of how determined someone is to doing harm to someone else, if the aggressor is hurt badly enough he or she will stop. So, the logical approach to handgun stopping power would seem to be to use the combination capable of causing the most pain."

The Annoyed Man wrote:

AEA wrote:I love my 1911 .45's. But the king of the hill is still the .357mag!

This is why, even though I love me some .45 ACP, I do not feel particularly underarmed with a 5 shot snubbie stoked with .357 magnum Critical Defense ammo.

Yep, I feel warm and fuzzy with my SP101 3" with 125gr Golden Sabers for short trips out and about in the rural areas.

AEA wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:

AEA wrote:I love my 1911 .45's. But the king of the hill is still the .357mag!

This is why, even though I love me some .45 ACP, I do not feel particularly underarmed with a 5 shot snubbie stoked with .357 magnum Critical Defense ammo.

Yep, I feel warm and fuzzy with my SP101 3" with 125gr Golden Sabers for short trips out and about in the rural areas.

Yep, and if you miss, the noise will scare the heck out of them.

philbo wrote:

Richard Mann, Field Editor wrote:This makes choosing the handgun/bullet combination simple—you want the combination that penetrates to a sufficient depth and damages the most tissue in the process.

The above was the writers last statement which is hardly a new or groundbreaking observation. After reading I failed to see that anything new came out of the article.

Shot placement is still king, and the best gun in the world is the one that's loaded and within reach when you need it.

I agree, I have a 9mm, .45 1911, and a 340pd I carry(mostly the 340pd), and I feel safe with all.

Anytime talk of how big-n-bad XX caliber is, I always feel the need to repost these two articles

Bad guy hit 22 times (17 center mass) with .40-cal from a 4.5-inch barrel Glock 22 before he went down
http://www.lawofficer.com/article/train ... s-sacrific" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Bad guy hit 9 times (6 in the torso and 2 that literally severed his right foot) with .45-cal Speer Gold Dots from a 4.5-inch barrel Glock 21 before he went down
http://www.lawofficer.com/article/train ... oulis-inci" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ain't no "man stopper" handgun rounds.

WildBill wrote:

AEA wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:

AEA wrote:I love my 1911 .45's. But the king of the hill is still the .357mag!

This is why, even though I love me some .45 ACP, I do not feel particularly underarmed with a 5 shot snubbie stoked with .357 magnum Critical Defense ammo.

Yep, I feel warm and fuzzy with my SP101 3" with 125gr Golden Sabers for short trips out and about in the rural areas.

Yep, and if you miss, the noise will scare the heck out of them.

If you miss, you'll still set their clothes on fire.