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I had an idea and wanted to post it here first and get some valuable feedback so that i dont later post this in the "never again" section. I have an m&p 40 compact which has a magazine disconnect but no thumb safety. I have heard that the majority of NDs occur during holstering/unholstering. Would it be unwise (or dangerous even) to load up +1 and before holstering dislodge or completely remove the magazine? Once safely holstered, could one then reinsert and seat the loaded magazine? I like my posterior enough to definately NOT want to porforate it.

Thanks for and advice or redicule,
Surferdaddy

Sorry, dont know why it double posted.

You certainly can; I remember watching a Clint Smith video about replacing or topping off a magazine while the pistol is holstered. He seemed to think it was a reasonable procedure.

IMO, though, if you're not angling the muzzle in towards your body to get the barrel started into the mouth of the holster, or keeping your finger on the trigger, there's not much to worry about.

Because that's my biggest fear, I am extra vigilant every time I place my SR9c in my crossbreed supertuck. I removed the magazine disconnect safety but I do use the manual safety and carry +1. I practice, practice, practice drawing (empty and cleared of course) keeping my finger indexed until the last phase when the muzzle is pointed toward the threat, whether thats from the hip or at full extension.

I don't think that's fear. I call it healthy respect.

surferdaddy wrote:I had an idea and wanted to post it here first and get some valuable feedback so that i dont later post this in the "never again" section. I have an m&p 40 compact which has a magazine disconnect but no thumb safety. I have heard that the majority of NDs occur during holstering/unholstering. Would it be unwise (or dangerous even) to load up +1 and before holstering dislodge or completely remove the magazine? Once safely holstered, could one then reinsert and seat the loaded magazine? I like my posterior enough to definately NOT want to porforate it.

Thanks for and advice or redicule,
Surferdaddy

I'm not sure about your M&P 40c, but mine is still ready to fire with one in the pipe and magazine removed.

They make both versions. I hate the giant warning on the side of S&W M&Ps that go with being able to fire with the mag removed. I had one of the earlier versions without the rollmark (or at least I don't recollect it). And I have a compact now without the warning that has the mag disconnect.

I've never worried too much about it. I'm careful to put the finger out of the way and make sure the shirt is clear of the holster mouth.

So no one seems to think its a danger? I was afraid i may be missing some unintended consequence. I may try this technique.

I carry a Kahr K9 that has no safety or magazine disconnect. It does have a long trigger pull, but if it gets pulled it goes bang. I have not had an issue holstering in either a Theis IWB (Crossbreed style) or an OWB belt holster.

I am not going to say you are over analyzing the situation, do what you feel comfortable with. I personally make sure there is nothing between the gun and the holster and slide it in.

surferdaddy wrote:So no one seems to think its a danger? I was afraid i may be missing some unintended consequence. I may try this technique.

Not a danger, no.

As RHenriksen noted, I've been in several training courses where the range was kept hot and it was expected of us to always have a fully-charged magazine inserted. Ideally, that was done as a part of the end of the string of fire. But if you had run out of fresh mags--or simply forgotten to do a reload--after coming off the line you would leave the pistol in the holster and swap mags while the gun was secured. For some models, it takes a fair amount of force to insert a topped-off magazine. No matter how you push the mag into place--with a thumb-and-fingers squeeze, or reaching around to press with both hands--just make sure you tug on the magazine baseplate afterward to make absolutely certain it's locked in there.

While I've done a fair share of in-holster reloads, it isn't something I've ever chosen to do on a regular basis. That said, presenting the gun rapidly from the holster is a good skill to safely practice, but there is seldom, if ever, a compelling reason to re-holster quickly.

Not necessarily a danger, unless people are shooting at you. Dollars to donuts (no cop jokes) you will fight the way you train.

I dunno.
If I'm inserting a magazine into a pistol with a round in the chamber (which is how I carry - no condition 3 for me) I want the pistol in my hand so its pointing in a safe direction. I don't consider pointing down at a concrete slab (with or without flooring on top) a safe direction.

However, I also think mag disconnects are a bad idea, so take this all with a grain of salt.

Skiprr wrote:

surferdaddy wrote:So no one seems to think its a danger? I was afraid i may be missing some unintended consequence. I may try this technique.

Not a danger, no.

As RHenriksen noted, I've been in several training courses where the range was kept hot and it was expected of us to always have a fully-charged magazine inserted. Ideally, that was done as a part of the end of the string of fire. But if you had run out of fresh mags--or simply forgotten to do a reload--after coming off the line you would leave the pistol in the holster and swap mags while the gun was secured. For some models, it takes a fair amount of force to insert a topped-off magazine. No matter how you push the mag into place--with a thumb-and-fingers squeeze, or reaching around to press with both hands--just make sure you tug on the magazine baseplate afterward to make absolutely certain it's locked in there.

While I've done a fair share of in-holster reloads, it isn't something I've ever chosen to do on a regular basis. That said, presenting the gun rapidly from the holster is a good skill to safely practice, but there is seldom, if ever, a compelling reason to re-holster quickly.

The in holster reload is also known in some circles as an "administrative reload".

Again, thanks fot all the input. My M&P is pretty easy to inseet a mag into with it topped off, so I think I'll start doing this when I load up. One less thing for an obsessive compulsive to worry about is a good thing. I still need to be mindful of safely holstering my pistols should they ever be 'hot' though; thay whole all guns are loaded all the time way of handling thing.