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In a secret government agreement granted without approval or debate from lawmakers, the U.S. attorney general recently gave the National Counterterrorism Center sweeping new powers to store dossiers on U.S. citizens, even if they are not suspected of a crime, according to a news report.

The changes granted by Holder would also allow databases containing information about U.S. citizens to be shared with foreign governments for their own analysis.

A former senior White House official told the Journal that the new changes were “breathtaking in scope.”

Those dossiers should come in mighty handy for targeting anyone opposing The One and his minions.

Yea....and ALL of us are already cataloged.

The FBI is making quite the power grab too and I wonder if this ties into it. We've completely lost privacy in this country and now it's turning into full blown invasions of privacy. This country went to crap the moment the Patriot act was signed. Just how much power do they need?

The system the FBI is unveiling is called the Next Generation Identification system and it uses all sorts of digital methods to track down persons of interest including facial recognition, retinal scans, much more. PC world ran the article but I'm on my iPad and everytime I go to track a link down the page refreshes and I lose text.

CoffeeNut wrote:The FBI is making quite the power grab too and I wonder if this ties into it. We've completely lost privacy in this country and now it's turning into full blown invasions of privacy. This country went to crap the moment the Patriot act was signed. Just how much power do they need?

The system the FBI is unveiling is called the Next Generation Identification system and it uses all sorts of digital methods to track down persons of interest including facial recognition, retinal scans, much more. PC world ran the article but I'm on my iPad and everytime I go to track a link down the page refreshes and I lose text.

This one? http://www.pcworld.com/article/262071/f ... ystem.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AEA wrote:Yea....and ALL of us are already cataloged.

oh I've been on the Dems radar for years and years...

Dave2 wrote:

CoffeeNut wrote:The FBI is making quite the power grab too and I wonder if this ties into it. We've completely lost privacy in this country and now it's turning into full blown invasions of privacy. This country went to crap the moment the Patriot act was signed. Just how much power do they need?

The system the FBI is unveiling is called the Next Generation Identification system and it uses all sorts of digital methods to track down persons of interest including facial recognition, retinal scans, much more. PC world ran the article but I'm on my iPad and everytime I go to track a link down the page refreshes and I lose text.

This one? http://www.pcworld.com/article/262071/f ... ystem.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yep that's the one

i know of a person that told me the smart phones can even broadcast whats going on around the phone....even without you knowing it
sort of like the Verizon tv top box that records your sounds so it can send adds to your tv based on your words or sounds


i dont put anything past the gov. if they want to know what your doing.

powerboatr wrote:i know of a person that told me the smart phones can even broadcast whats going on around the phone....even without you knowing it
sort of like the Verizon tv top box that records your sounds so it can send adds to your tv based on your words or sounds


i dont put anything past the gov. if they want to know what your doing.

Yes they can access the phones microphone even when your phone is shut off. The only safeguard is to pull the battery but with so many devices it really is pointless.

CoffeeNut wrote:

powerboatr wrote:i know of a person that told me the smart phones can even broadcast whats going on around the phone....even without you knowing it
sort of like the Verizon tv top box that records your sounds so it can send adds to your tv based on your words or sounds


i dont put anything past the gov. if they want to know what your doing.

Yes they can access the phones microphone even when your phone is shut off. The only safeguard is to pull the battery but with so many devices it really is pointless.

I think someone would notice the battery draining from the broadcasts.

Dave2 wrote:

CoffeeNut wrote:

powerboatr wrote:i know of a person that told me the smart phones can even broadcast whats going on around the phone....even without you knowing it
sort of like the Verizon tv top box that records your sounds so it can send adds to your tv based on your words or sounds


i dont put anything past the gov. if they want to know what your doing.

Yes they can access the phones microphone even when your phone is shut off. The only safeguard is to pull the battery but with so many devices it really is pointless.

I think someone would notice the battery draining from the broadcasts.

Not really. The biggest drains are going to be from processing graphics, running the display, and looking for a cell connection. The only thing that might drain the battery is trying to get real-time audio if the phone is in a bad coverage area. If the audio is saved on the phone and then transmitted when there is a good connection, it won't drain the battery at all.

When do the american people get to class action sue the federal government for blatant infringement of their rights?

Thomas wrote:

Dave2 wrote:

CoffeeNut wrote:

powerboatr wrote:i know of a person that told me the smart phones can even broadcast whats going on around the phone....even without you knowing it
sort of like the Verizon tv top box that records your sounds so it can send adds to your tv based on your words or sounds


i dont put anything past the gov. if they want to know what your doing.

Yes they can access the phones microphone even when your phone is shut off. The only safeguard is to pull the battery but with so many devices it really is pointless.

I think someone would notice the battery draining from the broadcasts.

Not really. The biggest drains are going to be from processing graphics, running the display, and looking for a cell connection. The only thing that might drain the battery is trying to get real-time audio if the phone is in a bad coverage area. If the audio is saved on the phone and then transmitted when there is a good connection, it won't drain the battery at all.

Wouldn't they notice the extra data usage on their bill?

I find it confusing that some are concerned about Big Brother, but give out all sorts of personal information on Face Book and it's equivalent...

Dave2 wrote:

Thomas wrote:

Dave2 wrote:

CoffeeNut wrote:

powerboatr wrote:i know of a person that told me the smart phones can even broadcast whats going on around the phone....even without you knowing it
sort of like the Verizon tv top box that records your sounds so it can send adds to your tv based on your words or sounds


i dont put anything past the gov. if they want to know what your doing.

Yes they can access the phones microphone even when your phone is shut off. The only safeguard is to pull the battery but with so many devices it really is pointless.

I think someone would notice the battery draining from the broadcasts.

Not really. The biggest drains are going to be from processing graphics, running the display, and looking for a cell connection. The only thing that might drain the battery is trying to get real-time audio if the phone is in a bad coverage area. If the audio is saved on the phone and then transmitted when there is a good connection, it won't drain the battery at all.

Wouldn't they notice the extra data usage on their bill?

Unlikely. Amounts reported by phone software and what carriers report already vary. US agencies are already in bed with the carriers, they could have already made sure the extra usage wouldn't be counted. Unless it's a boatload (which it wouldn't have to be), even people scrutinizing their usage wouldn't notice. It could be programmed to only transmit data when another legit program on the phone is transmitting data, thus making the user think it's just the legit program using that data.

Abraham wrote:I find it confusing that some are concerned about Big Brother, but give out all sorts of personal information on Face Book and it's equivalent...

People don't usually post their status like: "Hey, just wanted to let you know that I'm searching on the web to see if my symptoms are that of AIDs or whatever."

Otherwise, you're right, people can be that stupid which is why criminals get caught bragging about robbing banks on facebook and the such.