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Training Scars

Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:02 pm
by Moby
Good article

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It talks about habits we form in training that are bad in a defensive situation.
Such as standing still while shooting. Would we want to do that in a gun fight?
Or not making the best use of cover. Or not allowing mags to fall to the ground,
taking valuable time to pocket them before reloading.

Personally...I've not moved while shooting at the target. In twenty five years of shooting.
I need to correct that.

Re: Training Scars

Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:12 pm
by JALLEN
This is why things like IDPA are so useful to engage in.

Most of us find it almost impossible to duplicate the scenarios that call for shooting, moving, communicating, cover, awareness, and imperfect as it may be, those competitions are better than nothing.

If you were young enough, you could get the government to each you that stuff for free, right down the road here in Coronado, and a lot more, but for most of us, that train has left the station long ago.

Re: Training Scars

Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:56 pm
by Chris
A recently retired chief that taught one of my police academy classes said they realized how bad their training was right after a gun fight. They had a standing policy that if you had a gun jam, you raised your hand and waited for the range person to come over and watch you clear it, and so they could diagnose the malfunction. This was when semi-autos were still relatively new to the police world. They had a pursuit that ended in a shootout. When the shootout was over, one of the officers was standing behind his car door with his hand raised, and a stove pipe malfunction.

Re: Training Scars

Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 6:17 pm
by MoJo
JALLEN wrote:This is why things like IDPA are so useful to engage in.

Unfortunately, IDPA can build some pretty bad training scars itself. IDPA is a game not training some of the actions I see on an IDPA range that are really scary are unloading too quickly, exposing large parts of the body during the use of cover, only firing two shots, and moving too slow during shoot 'n move stages.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking shooting games are "training" if you are keeping score it's a game.

Re: Training Scars

Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 6:53 pm
by JALLEN
MoJo wrote:
JALLEN wrote:This is why things like IDPA are so useful to engage in.

Unfortunately, IDPA can build some pretty bad training scars itself. IDPA is a game not training some of the actions I see on an IDPA range that are really scary are unloading too quickly, exposing large parts of the body during the use of cover, only firing two shots, and moving too slow during shoot 'n move stages.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking shooting games are "training" if you are keeping score it's a game.
It is true that some folks involved in the competitive spirit are playing a game, and get pretty sloppy in some respects, but you don't have to. For a great many people, using the matches is the only feasible way they have to experience that environment short of The Real Thing [tm].

At least at the IDPA matches out here I attended some years ago, we kibitzed each other on such things, some had a buddy video tape their stages for further review. I received a great deal of "coaching" on various aspects of completing a string, both :thumbs2: and :nono:

Of course, one can be proud of improving "scores," working your way up through the various levels, but that is not the only benefit, and may not even be the most important or useful. Look at how you do that...by practicing every movement, grip, draw, presentation, the actual firing, firing while moving, moving while firing, drawing while moving, occasionally firing while dry-firing...... :eek6

I would think it falls somewhere in between standing around shooting holes in paper and the "shoot house" live fire drills SEALS constantly engage in. While it certainly leaves some things to be desired, it is better than nothing, especially if approached in the proper spirit.

Re: Training Scars

Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:31 pm
by MoJo
JALLEN wrote:
MoJo wrote:
JALLEN wrote:This is why things like IDPA are so useful to engage in.

Unfortunately, IDPA can build some pretty bad training scars itself. IDPA is a game not training some of the actions I see on an IDPA range that are really scary are unloading too quickly, exposing large parts of the body during the use of cover, only firing two shots, and moving too slow during shoot 'n move stages.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking shooting games are "training" if you are keeping score it's a game.
It is true that some folks involved in the competitive spirit are playing a game, and get pretty sloppy in some respects, but you don't have to. For a great many people, using the matches is the only feasible way they have to experience that environment short of The Real Thing [tm].

At least at the IDPA matches out here I attended some years ago, we kibitzed each other on such things, some had a buddy video tape their stages for further review. I received a great deal of "coaching" on various aspects of completing a string, both :thumbs2: and :nono:

Of course, one can be proud of improving "scores," working your way up through the various levels, but that is not the only benefit, and may not even be the most important or useful. Look at how you do that...by practicing every movement, grip, draw, presentation, the actual firing, firing while moving, moving while firing, drawing while moving, occasionally firing while dry-firing...... :eek6

I would think it falls somewhere in between standing around shooting holes in paper and the "shoot house" live fire drills SEALS constantly engage in. While it certainly leaves some things to be desired, it is better than nothing, especially if approached in the proper spirit.

Amen!