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Cornyn consults Holder on gun laws [Title is false!]

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:48 am
by RPB
Cornyn seeks clarification on gun laws in wake of Texas district attorney murders
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In the wake of the murders of two Texas district attorneys, Texas Sen. John Cornyn is asking for the Justice Department for clarification on when and where prosecutors can carry firearms for self-defense
Cornyn sits on the Senate Judiciary Committee. As of early Thursday afternoon, his office has not yet received a response from the Justice Department.
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Re: Cornyn consults Holder on gun laws

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:52 am
by AEA
Why does he not just read the STATE LAW!
Why does he ask Holder anything (especially something that he has no say in) and expect a reasonable answer (not a Lie)?

Re: Cornyn consults Holder on gun laws

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:02 pm
by AEA
Maybe, but I seriously doubt that Cornyn is that smart. Gotta get up pretty early in the morning to beat a Democrat at his own game!

Re: Cornyn consults Holder on gun laws

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:34 pm
by RPB
last I heard, Cornyn supports background checks, ... not sure how he plans to get criminals buying stolen guns from burglarized houses to sign up for them, but ...

Re: Cornyn consults Holder on gun laws

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:35 pm
by JALLEN
From what we have seen of Holder, why would any serious person ask him anything?

State prosecutors can carry whatever the state allows. Federal prosecutors probably can carry whether state law allows or not. I bet the FBI agents in Chicago are plenty well armed, and the prosecutors too if they chose to be. I sure would be.

Re: Cornyn consults Holder on gun laws

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:45 pm
by AEA
:iagree:

Re: Cornyn consults Holder on gun laws

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:48 pm
by bdickens
Cornyn is a RINO.

Re: Cornyn consults Holder on gun laws

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:58 pm
by anygunanywhere
JALLEN wrote:From what we have seen of Holder, why would any serious person ask him anything?
The winner.

Anygunanywhere

Re: Cornyn consults Holder on gun laws

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:17 pm
by K.Mooneyham
I fully admit that Senator Cornyn is not the "go-getter" that Ted Cruz is (which is why I voted for Senator Cruz). However, the gist of what he "consulted" Holder on is contained in the following passage from the article:
“It has come to my attention that federal law…exempts law enforcement officers, agents, and federal officials (such as prosecutors) from prohibitions on carrying firearms in federal court facilities. Yet I am told that as a matter of policy, federal prosecutors are barred from carrying personal self-defense firearms to their offices (and parking facilities) even if they hold a state-issue concealed carry license,” Cornyn writes in the letter. “If this information is accurate and is a matter of federal court policy, then the safety and security of federal officials demands the policy’s immediate reconsideration,” Cornyn continued. “Prosecutor safety should start with enabling them to defend themselves from violent attack.”
So it would seem that some folks, despite their position as Federal officials, ARE indeed barred from being armed when on Federal property. And in light of what has occurred in Kaufman County, I believe that Senator Cornyn is at least attempting to try and sort things out for the safety of some of those folks involved in all this mess.

Re: Cornyn consults Holder on gun laws

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:36 pm
by OldGrumpy
RPB wrote:last I heard, Cornyn supports background checks, ... not sure how he plans to get criminals buying stolen guns from burglarized houses to sign up for them, but ...
Another partial truth. Cornyn supported the inclusion of mental health records, certified by a court, into the present background check system.

:txflag: :patriot:

Re: Cornyn consults Holder on gun laws

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:18 pm
by RPB
OldGrumpy wrote:
RPB wrote:last I heard, Cornyn supports background checks, ... not sure how he plans to get criminals buying stolen guns from burglarized houses to sign up for them, but ...
Another partial truth. Cornyn supported the inclusion of mental health records, certified by a court, into the present background check system.

:txflag: :patriot:

So, everyone must sign HIPAA-compliant medical authorizations wait for records check, and criminals and crazies who signed them will be filtered out at the expense of everyone's right to privacy being snipped away bit more.

I just can't see that working. Bob gets out of prison on parole, signs his HIPPA form, buys a stolen gun from Joe the House Burglar ... and learns he failed his background check so he'll pay attention to the gunfree zone sign instead of ignoring it.

Meanwhile, Mary, whose dad passed away 8 years ago saw a doctor for grief counseling and the doctor back then diagnosed depression which she got over 4 years ago, now must wait to get a tool to defend herself from a stalker ex boyfriend turned into a beater/abuser :headscratch

Re: Cornyn consults Holder on gun laws

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:53 pm
by baldeagle
RPB wrote:
OldGrumpy wrote:
RPB wrote:last I heard, Cornyn supports background checks, ... not sure how he plans to get criminals buying stolen guns from burglarized houses to sign up for them, but ...
Another partial truth. Cornyn supported the inclusion of mental health records, certified by a court, into the present background check system.

:txflag: :patriot:

So, everyone must sign HIPAA-compliant medical authorizations wait for records check, and criminals and crazies who signed them will be filtered out at the expense of everyone's right to privacy being snipped away bit more.

I just can't see that working. Bob gets out of prison on parole, signs his HIPPA form, buys a stolen gun from Joe the House Burglar ... and learns he failed his background check so he'll pay attention to the gunfree zone sign instead of ignoring it.

Meanwhile, Mary, whose dad passed away 8 years ago saw a doctor for grief counseling and the doctor back then diagnosed depression which she got over 4 years ago, now must wait to get a tool to defend herself from a stalker ex boyfriend turned into a beater/abuser :headscratch
This so blatantly misrepresents the truth that I can only conclude that you are a liberal. You and I have discussed this before, and you are way off the deep end with this description.

Once again, for the stubborn, the bill that Cornyn supports would alter the existing background check system to ensure that people adjudicated and properly judged as mentally incompetent would have those records entered into the NICS. IOW, if a court of law, where you are properly represented by council and judged according to the law, finds that you are mentally incompetent, then that judgment would be entered into NICS. It does not require that anyone applying for the purchase of a weapon undergo a medical records check. Furthermore, the law specifically excludes situations such as you describe. Voluntarily entering a mental facility for grief counseling does not qualify. Being taken to a mental facility against your will does not qualify. Only a court order gets you in the system and that after all your rights have been preserved. It does not add a HIPAA form to the NICS check.

If you want to have a discussion about whether or not NICS checks are constitutional, then fine. But stop misrepresenting Cornyn's position. And stop making up stuff out of thin air that has no relation to fact. That's what liberals do.

Re: Cornyn consults Holder on gun laws

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:09 pm
by baldeagle
bdickens wrote:Cornyn is a RINO.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

This baloney about Cornyn needs to stop. He is rated by the ACU as a conservative with a voting record that is more than 80% conservative. His lifetime record as a Senator is 93%. Here's his voting record. He voted for prohibiting the US from signing the UN Arms Trade Treaty. He voted against the recent budget resolution. He voted to defund Obamacare. He voted against Hagel and Brennan. He voted against the Reauthorization of the Violence Against Woman Act.

If you don't like him for some reason, then say so, but quit misrepresenting his record.

Re: Cornyn consults Holder on gun laws

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 5:22 pm
by bdickens
FYI, I made no representation at all of Cornyn's record, miss- or otherwise. I made a statement of opinion that may or may not be based in fact and is therefore open to debate.

That he is nowhere near as bad as McCain, I'll give you. But I do know he's really teed me off on a couple of things.