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"...we have to break through this private idea that kids belong to their parents..."

Melissa Harris-Perry from MSLSD conveys her naked Maoist collectivism in a soothing, park setting.

A quick 45 second view but leaves no doubt that more people in this society are buying into the hard-core communist social transformation and the media has no trouble propagating the message.

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She probably got that idea from a book she read, if you will indulge my assumption that these people read.

"It Takes a Village" by Hillary Herself, if you will indulge my assumption that she actually wrote it.

"Society does not consist of individuals, but expresses the sum of interrelations, the relations within which these individuals stand."

-- — Karl Marx, Grundrisse, 1858

These people are dangerous clingers, to the Little Red Book, and similar works.

JALLEN wrote:She probably got that idea from a book she read, if you will indulge my assumption that these people read.

"It Takes a Village" by Hillary Herself, if you will indulge my assumption that she actually wrote it.

"Society does not consist of individuals, but expresses the sum of interrelations, the relations within which these individuals stand."

-- — Karl Marx, Grundrisse, 1858

These people are dangerous clingers, to the Little Red Book, and similar works.

I thought Hillary's book skirted around this a bit. This is much more straightforward and aggressive pretty much summarizes the whole "It Takes A Village" concept circa 2013 in Obama's America.

Instead of a village I prefer the term "It takes a well regulated militia".

Anygunanywhere

If kids belong to the village than the village should be consulted before one has a child.

urnoodle wrote:If kids belong to the village than the village should be consulted before one has a child.

And maybe they can help pay for college also.

I'd settle for the village not acting like I've offended them by taking my children out in public. Feel free to give me dirty looks if they're acting up, but otherwise they're people too and they have just as much right to be anywhere as anyone else. I suppose it's annoying to overheard a 4-year-old asking his mother 297 questions while waiting in line at the post office, but if he's doing it at normal conversational volume I don't see how it's any worse than someone else's cell phone conversation.

Loud people on cell phones don't get me started.

If kids are the responsibility of the entire community, does that mean I can spank my neighbor's little brats? After all it takes a whole village.

urnoodle wrote:If kids belong to the village than the village should be consulted before one has a child.

Well, you need a license to do just about anything else these days. And pay a fee! The government needs the money.

And maybe they can help pay for college also.

We already do, in all those student loans that aren't being paid back.

I worked on student loan programs back when I was at UT, trying to get student aid through the Legislature, a long, long time ago. What a debacle that has turned into!

My children are entrusted to my care and I don't want a thin dime from anyone in order to raise and educate them. Just leave me the heck alone! If they were to try this baloney they would learn why I go by the name mamabear.

Do not go quietly into that good night (of Chinese communism in this case)
Rage Rage against the dying of the light.

The trouble with all this is the interpretation of "it takes a village" has been perverted.

When I was a kid, "it takes a village" meant my parents gave permission to all the other parents on my street to whip me if I needed it (and they did). When I got home, my parents would also whip me for the offense (no double jeopardy exclusion at my house).

Now, if another parent were to discilpine a child, he / she would have assault (or some other) charges filed against them.

Worse than that, if I were to whip my child in public, one of those parents would probably call CPS and file charges.

RJGold wrote:The trouble with all this is the interpretation of "it takes a village" has been perverted.

When I was a kid, "it takes a village" meant my parents gave permission to all the other parents on my street to whip me if I needed it (and they did). When I got home, my parents would also whip me for the offense (no double jeopardy exclusion at my house).

Now, if another parent were to discilpine a child, he / she would have assault (or some other) charges filed against them.

Worse than that, if I were to whip my child in public, one of those parents would probably call CPS and file charges.

That's because, in the old days, people knew that there was a difference between spanking and beating. I got spanked plenty of times when I was a kid but I do not remember being beaten. I didn't like the spankings none, and of course, that was the whole point. It taught me that actions can have painful consequences...but, gasp, how dare we hurt today's children's self-esteem by pointing out reality.

RJGold wrote:The trouble with all this is the interpretation of "it takes a village" has been perverted.

When I was a kid, "it takes a village" meant my parents gave permission to all the other parents on my street to whip me if I needed it (and they did). When I got home, my parents would also whip me for the offense (no double jeopardy exclusion at my house).

Now, if another parent were to discilpine a child, he / she would have assault (or some other) charges filed against them.

Worse than that, if I were to whip my child in public, one of those parents would probably call CPS and file charges.

My problem is that it depends on the other parents on the street having a lick of sense. Some do, and those have my full blessing. Others... well, I'd just as soon they keep their distance.

I recently put up with a lady criticizing me (loudly) for helping my 4-year-old son find a lost part of a toy in the dentist's waiting room. He noticed it was missing and didn't want to leave without it. He was a little tearful, but asked nicely for help finding it. He was helping me look under chairs and tables and things, and she kept telling me that he just needed to learn that if he loses something it's gone and life is tough. Ok, sure -- if it's lost I'm not going to rush out and buy him a new one because yes, there are consequences when you're careless with your things. But I also want him to see that first we try to fix the problem rather than just throw the toy away and call it a loss. And I want him to see that in our family, we help each other. And when he grows up, I want him to be the kind of person who would help a small child find a lost toy rather than make fun of him for it. (By the way, it was under the couch right behind her feet; we only found it because she was called for her appointment and had to get up. Suspicious? I'll never know.) I was really bothered by her attitude. If the village is made up of people like her, no thanks, I'll do it myself.

Again, there are lots of people I feel otherwise about -- most of the families at church, my extended family (on both sides) and some of my neighbors, for starters. When the "village" is our friends, family, neighbors and other people who are part of our lives, I welcome their input. But when the "village" starts to refer to the general public or, better yet, to government entities, I start to have problems with it.

MotherBear wrote:

RJGold wrote:The trouble with all this is the interpretation of "it takes a village" has been perverted.

When I was a kid, "it takes a village" meant my parents gave permission to all the other parents on my street to whip me if I needed it (and they did). When I got home, my parents would also whip me for the offense (no double jeopardy exclusion at my house).

Now, if another parent were to discilpine a child, he / she would have assault (or some other) charges filed against them.

Worse than that, if I were to whip my child in public, one of those parents would probably call CPS and file charges.

My problem is that it depends on the other parents on the street having a lick of sense. Some do, and those have my full blessing. Others... well, I'd just as soon they keep their distance.

I recently put up with a lady criticizing me (loudly) for helping my 4-year-old son find a lost part of a toy in the dentist's waiting room. He noticed it was missing and didn't want to leave without it. He was a little tearful, but asked nicely for help finding it. He was helping me look under chairs and tables and things, and she kept telling me that he just needed to learn that if he loses something it's gone and life is tough. Ok, sure -- if it's lost I'm not going to rush out and buy him a new one because yes, there are consequences when you're careless with your things. But I also want him to see that first we try to fix the problem rather than just throw the toy away and call it a loss. And I want him to see that in our family, we help each other. And when he grows up, I want him to be the kind of person who would help a small child find a lost toy rather than make fun of him for it. (By the way, it was under the couch right behind her feet; we only found it because she was called for her appointment and had to get up. Suspicious? I'll never know.) I was really bothered by her attitude. If the village is made up of people like her, no thanks, I'll do it myself.

Again, there are lots of people I feel otherwise about -- most of the families at church, my extended family (on both sides) and some of my neighbors, for starters. When the "village" is our friends, family, neighbors and other people who are part of our lives, I welcome their input. But when the "village" starts to refer to the general public or, better yet, to government entities, I start to have problems with it.

I would have had no problem telling her to mind her own business and won't tell her how to raise her children.

But then I am now officially a grouchy old man.