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Dear Gun Control Democrats: 6 Ways to Make a Better Argument
Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:48 am
by RoyGBiv
I thought this was well written and worth sharing.
Not a lot of new information, but it rolls up a lot of good arguments in one place.
http://kontradictions.wordpress.com/201 ... et-better/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
1. Stop Sending Mixed Messages
2. You Have To Understand What You’re Regulating
3. Stop Using Children
4. Stop Pretending Background Checks Don’t Already Exist.
5. Treat the NRA As What They Are: Other American Citizens
6. Don’t Forget About Us!
Re: Dear Gun Control Democrats: 6 Ways to Make a Better Argu
Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:57 am
by anygunanywhere
RoyGBiv wrote:I thought this was well written and worth sharing.
Not a lot of new information, but it rolls up a lot of good arguments in one place.
http://kontradictions.wordpress.com/201 ... et-better/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
1. Stop Sending Mixed Messages
2. You Have To Understand What You’re Regulating
3. Stop Using Children
4. Stop Pretending Background Checks Don’t Already Exist.
5. Treat the NRA As What They Are: Other American Citizens
6. Don’t Forget About Us!
I can add some more points but I am certain the author was trying to be succint.
Anygunanywhere
Re: Dear Gun Control Democrats: 6 Ways to Make a Better Argu
Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 12:27 pm
by Beiruty
Who is to be ashamed of who?
http://www.ktrh.com/articles/houston-ne ... -11216368/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: Dear Gun Control Democrats: 6 Ways to Make a Better Argu
Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:40 pm
by goose
RoyGBiv wrote:I thought this was well written and worth sharing.
Not a lot of new information, but it rolls up a lot of good arguments in one place.
I thought so as well. The reference material behind the arguments was pretty complete as well.
Re: Dear Gun Control Democrats: 6 Ways to Make a Better Argu
Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:53 pm
by terryg
Wow! Fantastic article!
Re: Dear Gun Control Democrats: 6 Ways to Make a Better Argu
Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:40 pm
by surprise_i'm_armed
Why would the gun control Dems need to take your advice?
90% of the American public supports them!!
NOT.
SIA
Re: Dear Gun Control Democrats: 6 Ways to Make a Better Argu
Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:43 pm
by SF18C
Not sure I really want to "help" the gun grabbers refine or improve their argument...their intent will not change.
They will just be a little wiser about how to get the way.
Re: Dear Gun Control Democrats: 6 Ways to Make a Better Argu
Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:03 pm
by Dave2
SF18C wrote:Not sure I really want to "help" the gun grabbers refine or improve their argument...their intent will not change.
They will just be a little wiser about how to get the way.
I think the point is that at least some of them will realize their position isn't rational.
Re: Dear Gun Control Democrats: 6 Ways to Make a Better Argu
Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:22 pm
by Dadtodabone
Dave2 wrote:SF18C wrote:Not sure I really want to "help" the gun grabbers refine or improve their argument...their intent will not change.
They will just be a little wiser about how to get the way.
I think the point is that at least some of them will realize their position isn't rational.
Ultimately educating those members of our society who are left of center in outlook will strengthen the 2nd Amendment. Reasoned, logical debate and articles like the one referenced here can only bolster the case for our rkba. Resorting to ridicule, hyperbole, and the politics of personal destruction will not.
Re: Dear Gun Control Democrats: 6 Ways to Make a Better Argu
Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:50 am
by Grillmark55
Well written and her points were spot on.
So I would guess the Democrat anti-Second Amendment crowd will just call her a sell-out. They really don't care about any of what she wrote about to begin with; they simply want CONTROL of Americans; guns are just the first of many steps. If they get the guns first then there is nothing standing in their way to stop their complete takeover. There are plenty of instances in history that support this; it is the people who do not understand history or the corruption of power who say "Oh that will never happen in this country".
Re: Dear Gun Control Democrats: 6 Ways to Make a Better Argu
Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:27 am
by SF18C
Dave2 wrote:SF18C wrote:Not sure I really want to "help" the gun grabbers refine or improve their argument...their intent will not change.
They will just be a little wiser about how to get the way.
I think the point is that at least some of them will realize their position isn't rational.
Just like they do on the topic of abortion.
Re: Dear Gun Control Democrats: 6 Ways to Make a Better Argu
Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:35 am
by RoyGBiv
It's not about winning the far left. It's about winning the middle.
If you don't think it's possible to win the middle, look at what the NRA (and other grassroots folks) managed to do this go-round.
A few (already non-middle) States (NY, MD, CT) went further left, and with the exception of Colorado, every other piece of legislation died.
I'm not worried about winning over Obama, or Sandra Fluke, or Diane Feinstein....
When you read that article, if you're thinking of these people, you're not getting it.
When someone says "I'm pro choice and I support 2A", or "I vote blue and I support 2A", it gives people in the middle "cover" for supporting 2A.
A well stated, fact-based piece like this one IS HELPFUL. There is no magic wand, just diligence, hard work and small chisels.
Re: Dear Gun Control Democrats: 6 Ways to Make a Better Argu
Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:38 am
by RoyGBiv
SF18C wrote:Dave2 wrote:SF18C wrote:Not sure I really want to "help" the gun grabbers refine or improve their argument...their intent will not change.
They will just be a little wiser about how to get the way.
I think the point is that at least some of them will realize their position isn't rational.
Just like they do on the topic of abortion.
If you were having a grassroots 2A, RKBA meeting at your house and your neighbor, who you know to be pro-choice, wanted to attend, would you refuse to let her/him in?
Re: Dear Gun Control Democrats: 6 Ways to Make a Better Argu
Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:11 am
by chasfm11
Dave2 wrote:SF18C wrote:Not sure I really want to "help" the gun grabbers refine or improve their argument...their intent will not change.
They will just be a little wiser about how to get the way.
I think the point is that at least some of them will realize their position isn't rational.
I've not ever met one of them for whom rationality was a consideration. All of the ones that I've talked to about guns are so conflicted within their own thinking that any attempt to be rational would make their heads explode. They simply dismiss any fact that doesn't support whatever current statement they are making and most of them refuse all factual references. Their feelings are all that they need or want. I was once told that I would never understand because I had no feelings and was simply cold and calculating. That was right after she said "and if it saves just one life, it is worth it." Balance isn't a consideration for them either. Weighing one set of bad consequences against a worse set of consequences isn't something they can handle. Such things are not part of the code of unicorns.
Re: Dear Gun Control Democrats: 6 Ways to Make a Better Argu
Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:31 am
by RoyGBiv
chasfm11 wrote:Dave2 wrote:SF18C wrote:Not sure I really want to "help" the gun grabbers refine or improve their argument...their intent will not change.
They will just be a little wiser about how to get the way.
I think the point is that at least some of them will realize their position isn't rational.
I've not ever met one of them for whom rationality was a consideration. All of the ones that I've talked to about guns are so conflicted within their own thinking that any attempt to be rational would make their heads explode. They simply dismiss any fact that doesn't support whatever current statement they are making and most of them refuse all factual references. Their feelings are all that they need or want. I was once told that I would never understand because I had no feelings and was simply cold and calculating. That was right after she said "and if it saves just one life, it is worth it." Balance isn't a consideration for them either. Weighing one set of bad consequences against a worse set of consequences isn't something they can handle. Such things are not part of the code of unicorns.
To those people I say...
"Have you ever tried shooting a gun of any kind?"
When they say "no" (sometimes it comes out with shame, sometimes with conviction), I say "call me if you'd ever like to try, I'd be happy to teach you the basics in a safe environment". Then I change the subject. No use fighting with someone who isn't willing to listen. They just dig in their heels. Better to let them think about it for a while. They will certainly go home questioning whether they should give it a try. Even if they never do, you've made a chip in their mortar and tiny as it may be, their illogical position now rests on a wall that is slightly less strong. Think of it like water making a canyon. It only SEEMS impossible.
Like I said above, winning the middle is the goal. Honestly, I've not found it hard to discern between the hard left and the middle folks on this issue. I've found a LOT of middle. Maybe since I don't take it personally when I meet an anti, I see it as their fault, their ignorance. I think of them like I do children, in need of guidance, a steady hand, a better example to follow.