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The Future of the Ground Infantry rifle
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:25 am
by Beiruty
Why the US was killing the Future of the GI rifle?
ANS. Cost.
That being said, what are the characteristics of the next GI rifle?
I will start:
1) Effective: Enough power to do the job against existing body armor and soft-armored targets at expected engagement distance.
2) Weight: Light weight in the rifle, ammo and accessories
3) Cost: Let the average Joe can afford one. If mere me can afford it, so uncle Sam.
4) Accuracy: Inaccurate firearms are boring. Fire and forget are the best.
5) Easy of use: Design a firearm that a farmer can build and use, under battle stress too!
6) Durability: Like an AK, does not have to be designed like a barbie toy. War is tough enough.
What is more important for me more than the rifle system itself, is " The Boogie locator in your Google glass"

Re: The Future of the Ground Infantry rifle
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:26 pm
by Murindo
The M-14 without full auto capability with modern improvements is what I would prefer but then again the USMC trained me to use one in 66.
The AR-15 platform will not be changed for the average soldier. It is easy to learn to shoot reasonably well at close range. It has a lot of firepower for those who can't learn rifleman-ship. It is light and you can carry a lot of ammo.
The .308 based service rifle is more powerful, accurate, and longer ranged. That said, it take more training to use it well.
The Garand and Colt 1911 were designed for battle and their descendants still have great use.
Re: The Future of the Ground Infantry rifle
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:35 pm
by Dave2
Are we looking for a new rifle? I thought we'd decided to stick with the AR.
Re: The Future of the Ground Infantry rifle
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:52 pm
by psijac
we will get a new rifle once the right company buys enough lobbyist.
Re: The Future of the Ground Infantry rifle
Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:48 am
by jmra
The problem I see is maintaining target lock on full auto. Recoil has to stay at a minimum. So the advances I see are not in the rifle as much as it is in the projectile itself. Recoil will become even more of an issue as more women enter combat duty.
Re: The Future of the Ground Infantry rifle
Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:54 am
by The Annoyed Man
Beiruty wrote:Why the US was killing the Future of the GI rifle?
ANS. Cost.
I didn't know that they were killing its future. Did I miss something?
Re: The Future of the Ground Infantry rifle
Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:25 am
by Beiruty
The Annoyed Man wrote:Beiruty wrote:Why the US was killing the Future of the GI rifle?
ANS. Cost.
I didn't know that they were killing its future. Did I miss something?
TAM,
Last project OIWS was cancelled, almost like a decade ago and no new plans are in the in cards.
jmra,
Russians thought about recoil and provided first 2-shots in single recoil with a recoiling barrel, Izhmash Nikonov_AN-94
more:
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Re: The Future of the Ground Infantry rifle
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:02 pm
by SlickTX
I was thinking of a plasma rifle in the 40ghz range.
Re: The Future of the Ground Infantry rifle
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:03 pm
by v-rog
NATO remains a major hurdle to fielding a new military small arms rifle. Aside from the costs associated with developing and testing a new rifle, the political forces within NATO for allied nations to agree, much less adopt, a new rifle (design) is an unparalleled force, even to war.
Re: The Future of the Ground Infantry rifle
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:47 pm
by Beiruty
SlickTX wrote:I was thinking of a plasma rifle in the 40ghz range.
We need to wait until, the rifle can have its nano-nuclear reactor to power it up!
Re: The Future of the Ground Infantry rifle
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:11 pm
by gigag04
jmra wrote:The problem I see is maintaining target lock on full auto. Recoil has to stay at a minimum. So the advances I see are not in the rifle as much as it is in the projectile itself. Recoil will become even more of an issue as more women enter combat duty.
Full auto is such a rarity in combat units. Most have 3rd burst unless they're "special."
Re: The Future of the Ground Infantry rifle
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:35 pm
by baldeagle
gigag04 wrote:Full auto is such a rarity in combat units. Most have 3rd burst unless they're "special."
Even Ma Deuce operators don't squeeze off hundreds of rounds at a time unless the fight is fast and furious - whoops, probably shouldn't use that term - unless the fight is hot and heavy. Most of the time it's short bursts.
Re: The Future of the Ground Infantry rifle
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:39 pm
by OldCannon
SlickTX wrote:I was thinking of a plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.
Fixed it for ya

Re: The Future of the Ground Infantry rifle
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:44 pm
by OldCannon
gigag04 wrote:jmra wrote:The problem I see is maintaining target lock on full auto. Recoil has to stay at a minimum. So the advances I see are not in the rifle as much as it is in the projectile itself. Recoil will become even more of an issue as more women enter combat duty.
Full auto is such a rarity in combat units. Most have 3rd burst unless they're "special."
Ah, not quite. At least in the military. The M4 (3rd burst) is being phased out for the M4A1 (full auto) (have been for many years, actually). IIRC, it will be all M4A1 models by the end of the year.