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Post Office Ban in Parking Lots Unconstitutional

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:48 pm
by chasfm11
The Denverpost.Com
By Tom McGhee
Updated: 07/10/2013 01:24:33 PM MD

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ ... z2YgUC9FoS
A federal judge has ruled that a U.S. Postal Service regulation barring firearms in its parking lots violates the Second Amendment.....
But Senior U.S. District Judge Richard Matsch said the Postal Service has a right to bar Tab Bonidy, who filed the lawsuit, from carrying his gun into the Post Office building itself.
there is a collective interest in public safety that trumps individual liberty in certain circumstances.
:banghead:

Re: Post Office Ban in Parking Lots Unconstitutional

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:10 pm
by RHenriksen
One step forward...

Re: Post Office Ban in Parking Lots Unconstitutional

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:19 pm
by MoJo
RHenriksen wrote:One step forward...
:iagree:

Re: Post Office Ban in Parking Lots Unconstitutional

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:06 pm
by K.Mooneyham
MoJo wrote:
RHenriksen wrote:One step forward...
:iagree:
Yep. :iagree: , too.

Re: Post Office Ban in Parking Lots Unconstitutional

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:07 pm
by anygunanywhere
Barely a step.

Still too much infringement.

Where is that reboot switch?

Anygunanyhwere

Re: Post Office Ban in Parking Lots Unconstitutional

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:20 pm
by nightmare69
So does this make it legal to keep my gun in my car while in the parking lot?

Re: Post Office Ban in Parking Lots Unconstitutional

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:43 pm
by chasfm11
nightmare69 wrote:So does this make it legal to keep my gun in my car while in the parking lot?
That is the way that I read it but I'm not a lawyer. Plus, I'm not sure that all of the Federal types get all of the memos.

I'm very happy with my dry cleaner store front with a postal counter. This ruling isn't going to entice me back to the full blown USPS buildings.

Re: Post Office Ban in Parking Lots Unconstitutional

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:56 pm
by Dirthawking
nightmare69 wrote:So does this make it legal to keep my gun in my car while in the parking lot?

And here I thought it already was legal to...

Re: Post Office Ban in Parking Lots Unconstitutional

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:10 pm
by MotherBear
chasfm11 wrote:
nightmare69 wrote:So does this make it legal to keep my gun in my car while in the parking lot?
That is the way that I read it but I'm not a lawyer. Plus, I'm not sure that all of the Federal types get all of the memos.

I'm very happy with my dry cleaner store front with a postal counter. This ruling isn't going to entice me back to the full blown USPS buildings.
I do the same -- there's a UPS store a few doors down from my grocery store, and it's not posted. It's more conveniently located than the post office anyway.

Re: Post Office Ban in Parking Lots Unconstitutional

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:20 pm
by cb1000rider
anygunanywhere wrote: Where is that reboot switch?

Anygunanyhwere
You told us it was at your trigger.

Can anyone reference the decision? From what is posted, the post office can ban individuals, but not issue a general ban? Just applied to the post office or federal offices?

Re: Post Office Ban in Parking Lots Unconstitutional

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:45 pm
by MoJo
cb1000rider wrote:
anygunanywhere wrote: Where is that reboot switch?

Anygunanyhwere
You told us it was at your trigger.

Can anyone reference the decision? From what is posted, the post office can ban individuals, but not issue a general ban? Just applied to the post office or federal offices?
The way I see it you can lock your firearm in your vehicle in the parking lot of the post office I don't think this has any bearing on other federal property. Think of the PO as a school.

IANAL

Re: Post Office Ban in Parking Lots Unconstitutional

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:32 am
by anygunanywhere
cb1000rider wrote:
anygunanywhere wrote: Where is that reboot switch?

Anygunanyhwere
You told us it was at your trigger.
Halfzheimers.

Anygunanywhere

Re: Post Office Ban in Parking Lots Unconstitutional

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:41 am
by ELB
cb1000rider wrote:
anygunanywhere wrote: Where is that reboot switch?

Anygunanyhwere
You told us it was at your trigger.

Can anyone reference the decision? From what is posted, the post office can ban individuals, but not issue a general ban? Just applied to the post office or federal offices?
This is the opinion and judgment:

http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/di ... 1373447624" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Post Office Ban in Parking Lots Unconstitutional

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:48 am
by The Annoyed Man
Dirthawking wrote:
nightmare69 wrote:So does this make it legal to keep my gun in my car while in the parking lot?
And here I thought it already was legal to...
Prior to this decision, not if it is on federal property.

However, look for Eric Holder's JD to vigorously appeal this case. They don't want privately owned guns anywhere near a government owned property because they fear how badly they have angered people.

Re: Post Office Ban in Parking Lots Unconstitutional

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:59 am
by chasfm11
The Annoyed Man wrote:
Dirthawking wrote:
nightmare69 wrote:So does this make it legal to keep my gun in my car while in the parking lot?
And here I thought it already was legal to...
Prior to this decision, not if it is on federal property.

However, look for Eric Holder's JD to vigorously appeal this case. They don't want privately owned guns anywhere near a government owned property because they fear how badly they have angered people.
:iagree:

Prior to this decision, my biggest concern was driving to the post office parking lot, disarming in my car and the act, even under the cover of a towel, being caught on the Post Office surveillance tapes. It isn't clear on one of the local post office buildings whether the lot is government property or not, since it is shared with businesses. If they really wanted to enforce that, a sign saying "government property" needs to be posted where the parking lot exits to the road. But I have no desire to be a Federal test case over the parking lot ownership question.

There is also no doubt in my mind that the Federal DOJ is looking to make an example out of someone over guns after the Congressional loss on gun control earlier this year. It would just be my luck to give them that "opportunity."