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Lets see. This & DeptHomeland-inSecurity searching cars in the parking lots now.

!st Gone for Christians. 2nd headed out the door if the king gets his way. No more 4th now. Jackson & Al Dull-ton want want the UN to investigate a Floriday state "Not Guilty" man.
And there are people that still think we are free & they vote.

This line concerned me quite a bit: "He said they had a tip that a child-rape suspect was at the complex." So, a tip was called in to law enforcement. And then a heavily armed raid ensues based on said tip. What stops someone from calling in a "anonymous tip" against someone in their neighborhood that they just don't like, or that they've had a disagreement with? The other thing that bothered me was the use of language that is not allowed on this forum. Is that really necessary to complete the job at hand? I'm not saying I've never used any choice words; military mechanics have some seriously bad language habits, I admit. However, me talking that way with my fellow mechanics is one thing; I certainly wouldn't use those sorts of words when discussing a malfunction with flight crew, for instance. Pretty unprofessional. It sure seems like one of these incidents is going to end very badly, and some generally law-abiding citizen is going to end up on the very short end of the stick...and an otherwise well-performing law enforcement officer's career is potentially going to go down the tubes, as well. I don't know why this sort of thing is happening, but if folks are being trained to act like that, or told its "cool" and that all the "high speed operators are doing it", then it seems they are being poorly trained, IMHO.

K.Mooneyham wrote:This line concerned me quite a bit: "He said they had a tip that a child-rape suspect was at the complex." So, a tip was called in to law enforcement. And then a heavily armed raid ensues based on said tip. What stops someone from calling in a "anonymous tip" against someone in their neighborhood that they just don't like, or that they've had a disagreement with?

I believe it is called "swatting".

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There's currently a SWAT situation near my house. I can hear the helicopters overheard. I can't decide if I should be more concerned about the possibility of a dangerous criminal fleeing into my neighborhood and targeting my house for refuge/hostages/whatever, or the police merely thinking he might have.

MotherBear wrote:There's currently a SWAT situation near my house. I can hear the helicopters overheard. I can't decide if I should be more concerned about the possibility of a dangerous criminal fleeing into my neighborhood and targeting my house for refuge/hostages/whatever, or the police merely thinking he might have.

The answer is "YES"
Be safe, post up when the event has concluded.

Goldsberry wasn't arrested or shot despite pointing a gun at a cop, so Wiggins said, “She sure shouldn't be going to the press.”

No, officer, she should be talking to the press. From her point of view you were an unidentified intruder, and she had every right to be terrified. Why can't you understand that and apologize? Why do you have to cuss? And why can't you clearly identify yourself?

I'd like to hear from the LEOs. Is there a tactical reason for not showing a badge and clearly identifying that you are police? Anybody can yell "We're the ........police." Is there a reason you can't toss your badge in and let them look at it? There has to be a way to structure these raids such that law abiding citizens don't come within a hair's breadth of dying.

Eventually these incidences will end badly with greater frequency...
Awful.

“I went above and beyond,” Wiggins said. “I have to go home at night.”

Assuming the woman's story is accurate (and I don't see any reason to not believe her), this guy's lucky he got to go home that night. If it had been my house (and probably a lot of other folks here too), he'd have been going to the hospital or morgue. Of course, I'd probably be going to the same place after having just shot a cop..... This kind of stuff is just way overboard.

K.Mooneyham wrote:I don't know why this sort of thing is happening, but if folks are being trained to act like that, or told its "cool" and that all the "high speed operators are doing it", then it seems they are being poorly trained, IMHO.

Because it's fun, there is apparently a superior sense of entitlement to "go home at night," rather than to serve and protect, and because there are no real consequences. In fact, this Marshall is so emboldened by his self-perception as superior to the rest of us, he blames the people he attacked for not readily obeying the King's men as good serfs should, and even essentially says they have no right to complain. It's not poor training, it's deliberate. Honestly, there are times when the command voice and aggressive posture are valid means of establishing dominance to secure a scene and prevent escalation --but attacking people in their homes this way, based on nothing but a hint and pure speculation, is not one of them.

Such arrogance on Wiggins part...in his opinion, she's lucky that he went "above and beyond" and didn't shoot her and she should be thankful and "not go to the press". Totally ignoring the fact that she did nothing wrong at all. His other statement justifying their actions because when they didn't immediately open the door, "the reasonable conclusion" was that they were harboring the fugitive. Yeah, right...THAT'S the "ONLY reasonable conclusion"? I guess it is IF your mind is already made up...

K.Mooneyham wrote:This line concerned me quite a bit: "He said they had a tip that a child-rape suspect was at the complex." So, a tip was called in to law enforcement. And then a heavily armed raid ensues based on said tip. What stops someone from calling in a "anonymous tip" against someone in their neighborhood that they just don't like, or that they've had a disagreement with? The other thing that bothered me was the use of language that is not allowed on this forum. Is that really necessary to complete the job at hand? I'm not saying I've never used any choice words; military mechanics have some seriously bad language habits, I admit. However, me talking that way with my fellow mechanics is one thing; I certainly wouldn't use those sorts of words when discussing a malfunction with flight crew, for instance. Pretty unprofessional. It sure seems like one of these incidents is going to end very badly, and some generally law-abiding citizen is going to end up on the very short end of the stick...and an otherwise well-performing law enforcement officer's career is potentially going to go down the tubes, as well. I don't know why this sort of thing is happening, but if folks are being trained to act like that, or told its "cool" and that all the "high speed operators are doing it", then it seems they are being poorly trained, IMHO.

You aren't the only one concerned by that. A tip was called in for the complex. Apparently the suspect wasn't anywhere in that complex as he was arrested elsewhere later. What's next...a tip was called in for the city, so we put it on lockdown until we could verify everyone? If they had a tip for the entire complex, they should have sat on it and established some intel to narrow down where the suspect was located. To go through the entire complex until you find a response you don't like and assume that is your suspect is WAY OVER THE TOP Mr. US Marshal....

E.Marquez wrote:

MotherBear wrote:There's currently a SWAT situation near my house. I can hear the helicopters overheard. I can't decide if I should be more concerned about the possibility of a dangerous criminal fleeing into my neighborhood and targeting my house for refuge/hostages/whatever, or the police merely thinking he might have.

The answer is "YES"
Be safe, post up when the event has concluded.

Seems like they've called things off without finding anything. Nothing eventful on my end, although I'm still being watchful just in case. It was an interesting mental exercise, in any case. They were looking for armed subjects, which meant that if strange armed people showed up on my property it could have gotten confusing.

At first it sounded like ninjaboi was overcompensating but the more I read the more it sounds like he has some serious shortcomings that he'll never be able to compensate for.