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2 adults 3 kids - just heard it on TV. Found in the home. Not much info.

All 3 kids were under 12 years old.

RICE, Texas (AP) - Investigators say no suspects are being sought after two adults and three children were found dead in a North Texas residence.

The Navarro County Sheriff's Office plans a news conference Monday to update the investigation of 5 bodies discovered in a house near Rice, 40 miles southeast of Dallas.

Sheriff Elmer Tanner says a Spanish-speaking male on Sunday night called 911 to tell dispatchers that several members of his family were dead inside a home. Deputies and emergency medical workers rushed to the scene.

Tanner says investigators are concentrating on the inside of the residence. The sheriff also says officials do not have reason to believe there are any other suspects at this time.

http://www.kiiitv.com/story/23500880/5- ... cts-sought

Reads like a murder suicide.................... tragic for the kids and spouse victim in this.

Said on wbap...all 5 shot to death

Very sad

All kinds of evil in this world.

texanjoker wrote:Reads like a murder suicide.................... tragic for the kids and spouse victim in this.

That is what they believe. Husband and wife were having problems. Husband had recently been charged with domestic violence for pushing his wife.

We have profoundly stupid laws in this country regarding spousal abuse. If there is any evidence of spousal abuse, the police should be able to arrest the perpetrator on the spot, and the abused spouse should have no say in the matter at all. The perpetrator should be taken into custody and retained for a set period of time for a cooling off period (72 hours?). A second offense should double the cooling off period. Third offense and they do not get to return to their spouse without intensive psychological counseling, a signed release from authorities and a signed agreement from the abused spouse that they will take the abuser back. If evidence can be adduced to prove the abuse, the abuser should be charged with assault (or aggravated assault depending upon the particulars of the incident), tried and, if convicted, sent to prison. The abused spouse should have no say in the matter other than to speak during the sentencing phase.

The way it is now, the abused has to report the abuser, which exacerbates the situation and directs the abuser's anger toward the object of the abuse. It's better for the abuser's anger to be directed toward the authorities. They are better equipped to handle the abuser in a rational and legal manner and with sufficient force to put a stop to the abuse. Far, far too many women and children die in this country because we refuse to deal with abuse in a rational manner. If the abuser attacked anyone other than their spouse, they would be charged with assault or aggravated assault, jailed, tried and, if convicted, sent to prison. Because it's a spousal relationship we let them get away with abuse that would never be tolerated if the victim was a stranger. It's completely irrational and horribly wrong.

Essentially what our laws reveal is that it's perfectly fine to beat your spouse repeatedly. Just don't beat anyone else. It's a neanderthal approach to the problem.

baldeagle wrote:We have profoundly stupid laws in this country regarding spousal abuse. If there is any evidence of spousal abuse, the police should be able to arrest the perpetrator on the spot, and the abused spouse should have no say in the matter at all. The perpetrator should be taken into custody and retained for a set period of time for a cooling off period (72 hours?). A second offense should double the cooling off period. Third offense and they do not get to return to their spouse without intensive psychological counseling, a signed release from authorities and a signed agreement from the abused spouse that they will take the abuser back. If evidence can be adduced to prove the abuse, the abuser should be charged with assault (or aggravated assault depending upon the particulars of the incident), tried and, if convicted, sent to prison. The abused spouse should have no say in the matter other than to speak during the sentencing phase.

The way it is now, the abused has to report the abuser, which exacerbates the situation and directs the abuser's anger toward the object of the abuse. It's better for the abuser's anger to be directed toward the authorities. They are better equipped to handle the abuser in a rational and legal manner and with sufficient force to put a stop to the abuse. Far, far too many women and children die in this country because we refuse to deal with abuse in a rational manner. If the abuser attacked anyone other than their spouse, they would be charged with assault or aggravated assault, jailed, tried and, if convicted, sent to prison. Because it's a spousal relationship we let them get away with abuse that would never be tolerated if the victim was a stranger. It's completely irrational and horribly wrong.

Essentially what our laws reveal is that it's perfectly fine to beat your spouse repeatedly. Just don't beat anyone else. It's a neanderthal approach to the problem.

How do we know if the spouse called the police 10 time a week and she had made up 10 stories of verbal abuse by husband for her non-obedience and insulting language.

Non-obedience and insulting language?

Really? That deserves abuse?

Anygunanywhere

baldeagle wrote:We have profoundly stupid laws in this country regarding spousal abuse. If there is any evidence of spousal abuse, the police should be able to arrest the perpetrator on the spot, and the abused spouse should have no say in the matter at all. The perpetrator should be taken into custody and retained for a set period of time for a cooling off period (72 hours?). A second offense should double the cooling off period. Third offense and they do not get to return to their spouse without intensive psychological counseling, a signed release from authorities and a signed agreement from the abused spouse that they will take the abuser back. If evidence can be adduced to prove the abuse, the abuser should be charged with assault (or aggravated assault depending upon the particulars of the incident), tried and, if convicted, sent to prison. The abused spouse should have no say in the matter other than to speak during the sentencing phase.

The way it is now, the abused has to report the abuser, which exacerbates the situation and directs the abuser's anger toward the object of the abuse. It's better for the abuser's anger to be directed toward the authorities. They are better equipped to handle the abuser in a rational and legal manner and with sufficient force to put a stop to the abuse. Far, far too many women and children die in this country because we refuse to deal with abuse in a rational manner. If the abuser attacked anyone other than their spouse, they would be charged with assault or aggravated assault, jailed, tried and, if convicted, sent to prison. Because it's a spousal relationship we let them get away with abuse that would never be tolerated if the victim was a stranger. It's completely irrational and horribly wrong.

Essentially what our laws reveal is that it's perfectly fine to beat your spouse repeatedly. Just don't beat anyone else. It's a neanderthal approach to the problem.

I believe that many states no longer give the spouse the option of pressing/not-pressing charges for domestic violence, and it is entirely in the hands of the officers who respond to the call. I'm not sure if Texas is among them.

In my ministry, I see and hear from a lot of women who have been abused. Just last night, a woman gave her testimony and it was a long story of serial abuse, beginning at the hands of her father when she was a little girl, and ending with her last husband. What makes sense to most of us, doesn't always make sense in the mind of the abused person. The reason is that they have codependent personalities. In their minds, they are at fault for the situation, either because they believe they did something wrong and deserve the abuse, or they believe that if they had just tried harder as a spouse, their abusive spouse would love them more. For some of the sickest codependents (yes, it is a sickness of the mind), they believe that they can actually change their abuser.

The result, and this was the case of the woman whose testimony I heard last night, is that even after they finally leave/divorce their abuser, they will enter right back into another abusive relationship with a different abuser. This may happen several times before they arrive at the conclusion that they cannot manage the situation and must change their own life.

So removing the abuser from the situation is only half of the remedy. The other half is getting the abused person into some kind of program where they can get their own heads straight. This does not mean that the state has to spend any money on it. There are any number of 12 step recovery programs which teach people A) how to recognize their own codependence, and B) how to get recovery from it. The particular program I am part of, Celebrate Recovery, is a Christ-centered 12 step program with a pretty high success rate. But CR is not the only one out there. If one prefers a secular environment, there are groups out there for that person also.

However, all of these 12 step programs have a lot in common, including for the most part the actual 12 steps. The only differences are really whether they are couched in secular or religious terms. And they mostly share same first step: "Admit that I am powerless over my addiction(s) and compulsive behavior(s), that my life has become unmanageable." The wording may change, but the message is the same. Until the abused person admits that they are powerless over their tendency to enable their spouse's bad behavior, and that their life (not their spouse's life) has become unmanageable, that person will not seek recovery from the situation. Furthermore, each individual's "bottom of the barrel" is different from everyone else's. Some will arrive at that conclusion early; some will arrive at it later; others will be murdered in their beds by an out of control spouse before they ever hit their personal bottom.

anygunanywhere wrote:Non-obedience and insulting language?

Really? That deserves abuse?

Anygunanywhere

I said phony claims where the abuse can not be substantiated.

Beiruty wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:Non-obedience and insulting language?

Really? That deserves abuse?

Anygunanywhere

I said phony claims where the abuse can not be substantiated.

It does happen. More often than not this is not the case. Phony claims are not justification to kill children and wives.

Anygunanywhere

WBAP just reported on air it was the mother who is responsible for the shootings.


ETA: found a link, not WBAP but Epoch Times. http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/297929- ... relatives/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And KHOU - http://www.khou.com/news/texas-news?fId ... main=10247" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;