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I finally decided to get a 29 over a 20. I am to small to conceal a 20 AND could not find one anyways. I also found out chopping a 20 wouldn't truly give me a 29. I got this brand new for...541.00 out the door. Another reason I had to buy it. Currently being carried with Cor-Bon 150gr HP

I would like to get an extended barrel, upgrade the sights, and most likely put a Streamlight trl-2 on. With some mag extensions. All while pushing the biggest fastest bullets at hogs I can.

I am open to any and all advice on recommendations. This will be an EDC and woods gun. The Trl-2 hopefully will work well with the Red filter in a holster (night hunting).

Here she is.. I am not great at uploading or taking photos, Advise there too wouldn't kill me.

I carry my glocks in a Blackhawk SERPA OWB holster. I also like the FOBUS version and have one of each. Surprisingly the $10 glock holster is pretty snug as well. I've had mine 20 years now.

nice pick up! I was looking at the 30S myself. in fact I even ordered it from GT, then the "storm" hit.... maybe next year.

Well I have done a lot of testing on various ammo for my 20sf with a 6inch barrel so I will share what I have observed.

Best hardcast woods load- Underwood 220 grain hardcast- ran almost 1300fps through my 6inch barrel. While not a 44 mag this is defiantly a mid range 41 mag load from a 4inch barrel. I am sure it would take anything down in the lower 48 with one well placed shot except possibly a brown bear or large moose. My father's friend has personally taken Bull Elk with pretty much the same set up as mine with one clean shot on more then one occasion. Remember the preferred 41 mag load for black bear hunters is the Remington 210 sp load that runs 1300fps through a 6inch barrel. So before you dismiss the 10mm really think about it!

Best heavy hollowpoint load- Well the only 2 I know of are the 200 grain xtp loaded by various companies and the 200 grain nosler. Both are good bullets but I personally carrying the factory Hornady 200 xtp. Why? It moves at only 1150 through my 6inch barrel and from the data I have seen it will penetrate between 20-24 inches and expand to roughly .60. Underwood has the same bullet but runs 1350 out of my 6inch. Because of the increased velocity the bullet only went about 18 inches in ballistic jelly but expanded a little more. I personally am more interested in penetration and uniform expansion first in a woods hp load.

Best full power jhp (non-copper load) for self-defense The 165-180 Underwood gold dot load- While there is some jacket separation these loads are just nasty! The 180 runs 1425fps and the 165 runs 1550fps through my 6inch. This is out of the bullets designed velocity area but I can tell you the tissue damage on hogs and deer is nasty. My father in law has shot many large hogs with a 44 Ruger and he couldn't tell the difference between the 44 and 10mm wound channel.

If you want full power 10mm jhp loads that stay together you need the barnes bullets. I think the fastest is the Buffalo Bore 155 Barnes Tac-xp bullet that runs about 1475 through a 6inch and has no jacket separation and uniform expansion. (probably the best personal defense load)

Honestly though I don't normally carry the hottest loads in the 20sf for personal defense. I would just run 165-180jhp in the 1150-1350fps range. I think the best load for easy follow up shots is the Hornady 165 critical defense or 175 critical duty load that only Cabelas carries. It isn't full power 10mm by any means, more like a hot 40S&W load but I am sure it would work just fine for social work.

I forgot to mention. I have dropped large hogs with my Glock 27 with factory 180 remington umc with no problems. Just get any 200 grain FMJ or TMJ load and you will be more then fine with hogs. Even though they aren't full power 10mm or the best quality. I would just try the 200 grain blazer aluminium. They work just fine and you can usually find them locally.

CC Italian wrote:I forgot to mention. I have dropped large hogs with my Glock 27 with factory 180 remington umc with no problems. Just get any 200 grain FMJ or TMJ load and you will be more then fine with hogs. Even though they aren't full power 10mm or the best quality. I would just try the 200 grain blazer aluminium. They work just fine and you can usually find them locally.

I know its about shot placement more so than the caliber. However, knowing the characteristics of the 10mm and I could always shoot .40, I have long regretted not getting a 10mm in the first place. I am glad I held off because the Gen 4 feels better than a SF to me.

So since all of your testing was done out of a 6" how much will i loose with the stock G29 barrel? I have heard 50/50 on using the stock barrel for hot loads. How about using an extended barre? Which I plan to get anyways.

CC Italian wrote:I forgot to mention. I have dropped large hogs with my Glock 27 with factory 180 remington umc with no problems. Just get any 200 grain FMJ or TMJ load and you will be more then fine with hogs. Even though they aren't full power 10mm or the best quality. I would just try the 200 grain blazer aluminium. They work just fine and you can usually find them locally.

You have me beat. I have only dropped a rattle snake that swam up to me while fishing in the middle of no where.

Congrats. Welcome to the 10mm world. CC made some great ammo recommendations.

My G20 is my EDC. Love me some 10mm.

I like the feel of the gen4 better also. I plan on getting the gen4 29 myself at some point. As for velocities the powder and bullet weight used will dramatically influence the fps as much or more then the barrel length. Let me explain.

The hotter loads benefit from the longer barrel lengths in my experience. The burn rate of the powder effects it alot also. Lighter grain hot loads get a huge jump from the 4.6-6 inch barrel. The 135 nosler load from underwood went from 1615fps to as high as 1775fps. So I think it would be safe to say that 250fps gain could happen with that load between your factory barrel and a 6inch
The heavier 180-220 loads pick up anywhere from 50-125fps from a 4.6-6inch depending on the load. So from my experience I would say that the increased barrel length is more beneficial in 165 grain and lighter(carry loads).

Check out this guys videos they are pretty much the same results I got. I have a factory 6inch glock barrel not a lone wolf and I have never had over pressure signs with underwood ammo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6yK0KP4vBw


Personally I would just carry a 165-180 load for personal defense. With the hot loads it is still very fast even out of a 3.8 barrel and honestly you don't need the hot loads for PD. For woods carry 200 and up. Really where the 10mm shines is where the .40 S&W starts to lose ground 180 on up. The ability to chunk a 220 grain bullet out at 1300fps in a semi auto is pretty awesome. Of course yes the Rowland is more powerful but honestly if the 10mm isn't getting the job done then the Rowland would not be my next choice. 454 casull or better yet a large bore rifle is needed. Also, don't forget a 220 .40 caliber has a greater sectional density then a 255 .451 caliber.

I could go on all day about the benefits of the 10mm but in the end it is just a powerful semi-auto round with greater case capacity that is extremely versatile and about as much recoil as your really going to want if you ever have to use it for personal defense.

CC Italian wrote:I like the feel of the gen4 better also. I plan on getting the gen4 29 myself at some point. As for velocities the powder and bullet weight used will dramatically influence the fps as much or more then the barrel length. Let me explain.

The hotter loads benefit from the longer barrel lengths in my experience. The burn rate of the powder effects it alot also. Lighter grain hot loads get a huge jump from the 4.6-6 inch barrel. The 135 nosler load from underwood went from 1615fps to as high as 1775fps. So I think it would be safe to say that 250fps gain could happen with that load between your factory barrel and a 6inch
The heavier 180-220 loads pick up anywhere from 50-125fps from a 4.6-6inch depending on the load. So from my experience I would say that the increased barrel length is more beneficial in 165 grain and lighter(carry loads).

Check out this guys videos they are pretty much the same results I got. I have a factory 6inch glock barrel not a lone wolf and I have never had over pressure signs with underwood ammo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6yK0KP4vBw


Personally I would just carry a 165-180 load for personal defense. With the hot loads it is still very fast even out of a 3.8 barrel and honestly you don't need the hot loads for PD. For woods carry 200 and up. Really where the 10mm shines is where the .40 S&W starts to lose ground 180 on up. The ability to chunk a 220 grain bullet out at 1300fps in a semi auto is pretty awesome. Of course yes the Rowland is more powerful but honestly if the 10mm isn't getting the job done then the Rowland would not be my next choice. 454 casull or better yet a large bore rifle is needed. Also, don't forget a 220 .40 caliber has a greater sectional density then a 255 .451 caliber.

I could go on all day about the benefits of the 10mm but in the end it is just a powerful semi-auto round with greater case capacity that is extremely versatile and about as much recoil as your really going to want if you ever have to use it for personal defense.

I don't think I could get a 6" barrel cut for a 29 could I? Wouldn't there be issues cycling?

My core question is. since I am planning on getting an after market barrel to safely shoot hotter loads, wouldn't an after market barrel that is extended be better worth the money than a standard lenght?

I am pretty sure a 4.6 inch barrel will work in the stock 29 but I am not sure about anything larger. As for aftermarket for hotter loads. That is up to you. Like I said Underwood is the hottest stuff on the market and I personally called Kevin Underwood and talked to him and he told me that all 10mm is tested in a stock glock barrel. He said he is not going to sell something that is going to blow up your gun and that it is safe in all factory Glock barrels. Believe it or not the Glock 10mm pistols have very generous case support and are better then many. I think the worry comes from the .40S&W case in Glock models and the fact that it is less forgiving to over pressure signs and since both are .40 caliber people worry about it even though there is no reason to. The reason I stayed with the factory is that they tend to be more reliable in cycling rounds. I have shot thousands of rounds (over 8,000 now at least) through my glock 20 between the stock 4.6 and factory 6inch and I have NEVER had a case failure or signs of over pressure and probably 70% of the rounds fired were full power loads.

Underwood's 10mm is going to be plenty for you in the 29. My nice big S&W 629 is much more fun to shoot with full bore .44 loads than my 29 is with his 180gr FMJ. In fact I now have a nice flinch to work out thanks to his loads in my 29SF ;)

They are strong medicine.

BVAC, Remington, etc are not so strong medicine and are a lot of fun.

And for nifty factor (and slightly more affordable blasting), the Lone Wolf .40 barrel works great in it. Don't even have to swap mags.

texanjoker wrote:

CC Italian wrote:I forgot to mention. I have dropped large hogs with my Glock 27 with factory 180 remington umc with no problems. Just get any 200 grain FMJ or TMJ load and you will be more then fine with hogs. Even though they aren't full power 10mm or the best quality. I would just try the 200 grain blazer aluminium. They work just fine and you can usually find them locally.

You have me beat. I have only dropped a rattle snake that swam up to me while fishing in the middle of no where.

Maybe the snake just wanted to be petted

Thanks for all the replies hopefully everyone had a great Christmas. I planned on going to the range yesterday but they were closed. I am itching to shoot this thing pretty bad. I plan to be reloading by this time next year. We will see.

1s1k52 wrote:Thanks for all the replies hopefully everyone had a great Christmas. I planned on going to the range yesterday but they were closed. I am itching to shoot this thing pretty bad. I plan to be reloading by this time next year. We will see.

I am so jelly of your new purchase! So when are you doing these sights?