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I am going to be attending one and was not sure if it is a sporting event or a exposition? They are competing for money.

Professional sporting event, so nope no Carry

JP171 wrote:Professional sporting event, so nope no Carry

I was afraid of that. Thanks.

First my disclaimer: I am not a lawyer or offering legal advice.

In my opinion the Monster Jam show is not a "professional sporting event".

They may compete for money, but I don't consider that to be the primary requirment.

I am not advising anybody to carry. The opinions of LEOs, DAs and Judges may not have the same opinion as mine.

Bill,
If it's an event of skill which pays people for outcomes, what else do you need for it to be a "professional sporting event"? I'm legitimately curious about your opinion.

I don't think golf is a sport either.. Maybe that's because I can't play worth a darn, but it certainly pays some people very well.

cb1000rider wrote:Bill,
If it's an event of skill which pays people for outcomes, what else do you need for it to be a "professional sporting event"? I'm legitimately curious about your opinion.

I don't think golf is a sport either.. Maybe that's because I can't play worth a darn, but it certainly pays some people very well.

I think a "professional sport" is where the person earns their primary income from that sport. As I read the biographies of many of the drivers, they do this competition part-time or as a hobby and not as their livelihood.

Yes, that applies to golfers too!

There are probably a couple other reasons that I can't think of right now.

cb1000rider wrote:Bill,
If it's an event of skill which pays people for outcomes, what else do you need for it to be a "professional sporting event"?

Under that definition, every job I've ever had is a sport, which would no doubt come as a surprise to my non-sporting employers.

Well... now what? I was wanting to think it is not a sporting event. It is more of an exposition kind of thing but they are competing with each other for money. But so are game show contestants and that would not be a sport.

Dave, Sorry.. you're right - that's too broad. Care to help me out?

WildBill wrote:

cb1000rider wrote:Bill,
If it's an event of skill which pays people for outcomes, what else do you need for it to be a "professional sporting event"? I'm legitimately curious about your opinion.

I don't think golf is a sport either.. Maybe that's because I can't play worth a darn, but it certainly pays some people very well.

I think a "professional sport" is where the person earns their primary income from that sport. As I read the biographies of many of the drivers, they do this competition part-time or as a hobby and not as their livelihood.

Yes, that applies to golfers too!

There are probably a couple other reasons that I can't think of right now.

Most of the monster truck drivers do not do this part time, they are full-time. Even the guys that go out and do the exhibition with the trucks at car shows, etc are full-timers. I know Bob Chandler of Bigfoot fame. And, one of the driver's wife used to work for me.

As is it a professional sporting event, I think it is. However, I don't think these types of events were what the legislators and crafters of the statutes actually had intended. This is one where we need a better definition of 'professional sporting event' spelled out in the law.

IMO, another requirement for being a "Professional Sport" is that it is governed by a recognized body that controls and regulates the sport. Examples are the NHL, NFL, NBA and, for golfers, PGA.

Not to say that Monster Truckers are not "professional" meaning competent in their sport, I consider the competition to be entertainment, like a concert, rather than a sporting event.

Keith B wrote:This is one where we need a better definition of 'professional sporting event' spelled out in the law.

Not really. Just removing the requirement in the law would be fine with me.

most Monster truck races are under the USHRA and are PROFESSIONAL sporting events, they require a license from the USHRA to drive the trucks in a given class and are awarded cash and points same as nascar and NHRA events. do not carry there or go to jail if caught

Keith B wrote:

WildBill wrote:

cb1000rider wrote:Bill,
If it's an event of skill which pays people for outcomes, what else do you need for it to be a "professional sporting event"? I'm legitimately curious about your opinion.

I don't think golf is a sport either.. Maybe that's because I can't play worth a darn, but it certainly pays some people very well.

I think a "professional sport" is where the person earns their primary income from that sport. As I read the biographies of many of the drivers, they do this competition part-time or as a hobby and not as their livelihood.

Yes, that applies to golfers too!

There are probably a couple other reasons that I can't think of right now.

Most of the monster truck drivers do not do this part time, they are full-time. Even the guys that go out and do the exhibition with the trucks at car shows, etc are full-timers. I know Bob Chandler of Bigfoot fame. And, one of the driver's wife used to work for me.

As is it a professional sporting event, I think it is. However, I don't think these types of events were what the legislators and crafters of the statutes actually had intended. This is one where we need a better definition of 'professional sporting event' spelled out in the law.

In that case I will probably not carry. I don't feel like having to debate with a cop, as I go to jail, about the definition of a sporting event. The place may be posted anyway. It is in San Antonio. I am not sure the venue but I am thinking it is probably in the same place they do the basket ball games.

JP171 wrote:most Monster truck races are under the USHRA and are PROFESSIONAL sporting events, they require a license from the USHRA to drive the trucks in a given class and are awarded cash and points same as nascar and NHRA events. do not carry there or go to jail if caught

That and I bet they are wanding people anyway. It ain't worth the hassle for me.