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A few months ago I approached one of the executive members of our associate relations group in HR to get a clarification of the weapons policy for my company. My company is a large clothing retailer, so I needed to know if i was restricted from carrying on my off hours when I was patronizing our stores as a customer, not on company business. At the time, she clarified that I am in fact restricted at any time. Fine, I accept that, and I will just lock away my weapon when I go to the store(because employee discounts are oh-so-good.)

Today she pulled me aside and told me that my dialogue with her made her rethink the policy and have it officially re-written. Unfortunately it's still restricted, but they're now officially recognizing the fact that the state says they can't restrict people from having a firearm in their cars at their employer. Additionally, they wrote in verbage that possession of a firearm is allowed outside the vehicle as long as you're storing it and not waving it around like a maniac

it's not perfect, but it's a step forward and slightly less intrusive than an outright "NO WEAPONS ALLOWED" policy.

She also told me that they previously considered, but have decided that they will not post 30.06 signage in the stores based on my comments and suggestions. I told her that I would be happier if I was completely unrestricted, but I understood their stance and would happily respect it, even in inconvenient. Plus, my wife has her CHL so she would not be restricted at all, so at least one of us will be armed at the store.

kingpinGT wrote:Today she pulled me aside and told me that my dialogue with her made her rethink the policy and have it officially re-written. Unfortunately it's still restricted, but they're now officially recognizing the fact that the state says they can't restrict people from having a firearm in their cars at their employer. Additionally, they wrote in verbage that possession of a firearm is allowed outside the vehicle as long as you're storing it and not waving it around like a maniac.

would it be considered "stored" if it's in the holster?

budroux2w wrote:

kingpinGT wrote:Today she pulled me aside and told me that my dialogue with her made her rethink the policy and have it officially re-written. Unfortunately it's still restricted, but they're now officially recognizing the fact that the state says they can't restrict people from having a firearm in their cars at their employer. Additionally, they wrote in verbage that possession of a firearm is allowed outside the vehicle as long as you're storing it and not waving it around like a maniac.

would it be considered "stored" if it's in the holster?

ooo, good one!

By the title I thought this would be a "bad" to a "worse than bad" change.

Additionally, they wrote in verbage that possession of a firearm is allowed outside the vehicle as long as you're storing it..."

Would you please elaborate?

I don't understand.

Thanks!

Sounds like the approach some should take to pass open carry.

I would think that the idea of posting 30.06 got buried very quickly. They just need to think for a moment. Brick and mortar stores are in direct competition with internet sales, and I can buy a shirt off my computer with my weapon in my pocket. Posting would just give me one more reason not to darken their door.

I don't get the part where you cannot carry anytime, including when you are off, into the store, although your wife can.

MeMelYup wrote:I don't get the part where you cannot carry anytime, including when you are off, into the store, although your wife can.

The same way my wife can keep a firearm in the car when she visits the high school where I work but I can not.

I had a similar situation with a previous employer. I basicly told them "Your rules apply to me only when I'm on your clock. You control how I do my job, you do not control how I live my life."

mlawler wrote:I had a similar situation with a previous employer. I basicly told them "Your rules apply to me only when I'm on your clock. You control how I do my job, you do not control how I live my life."

I guess I'm missing something here. It was understanding that the company rules prohibited him from carrying in the store even when he was off the clock. The rules only addressed his actions while on property controlled by the employer. If I'm understanding this correctly, the employer has every right to do so. In this case the rules apply to him regardless if he is on the clock or not. I don't know of any company whose rules regarding their employees actions/behavior on the facility end when the employee punches out on the time clock.

jmra wrote:

MeMelYup wrote:I don't get the part where you cannot carry anytime, including when you are off, into the store, although your wife can.

The same way my wife can keep a firearm in the car when she visits the high school where I work but I can not.

Or in my case, my husband's employee handbook says no guns so he can't carry at work. Occasionally I take the kids for lunch with Daddy or the office trick or treat thing, and I do carry because they haven't posted 30.06 and I'm not an employee.

jmra wrote:

mlawler wrote:I had a similar situation with a previous employer. I basicly told them "Your rules apply to me only when I'm on your clock. You control how I do my job, you do not control how I live my life."

I guess I'm missing something here. It was understanding that the company rules prohibited him from carrying in the store even when he was off the clock. The rules only addressed his actions while on property controlled by the employer. If I'm understanding this correctly, the employer has every right to do so. In this case the rules apply to him regardless if he is on the clock or not. I don't know of any company whose rules regarding their employees actions/behavior on the facility end when the employee punches out on the time clock.

You are absolutely correct.

mlawler wrote:I had a similar situation with a previous employer. I basicly told them "Your rules apply to me only when I'm on your clock. You control how I do my job, you do not control how I live my life."

I told my employer that a long time ago. The HR rep I was talking to merely shrugged and said she didn't see anything about not carrying when off the clock.

The employer has no say on what you do when not on his time as long as it's not illegal or disrupting the operation of the place of business. If they are not 30.06 posted, then when off the clock you are free to carry. Just remember, concealed means concealed.