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New Crime Scene Scenario --- in Anywhere USA

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:45 am
by Keith B
Got this in email today. Pretty well sums up how they want LEO's to NOT engage someone.

Victim: Officer, officer! That man just stole my purse!

Officer: Good morning ma'am, or does that pronoun offend you. If so, please advise me of the correct pronoun I may use in order to not....

Victim: Officer, you're not listening to me! That man stole my purse.

Officer: That gentleman across the street?

Victim: Yeah, that's him.

Officer: Okay, let me go talk to him.

Victim: He's a big guy, don't you want some help?

Officer: Oh no, anything that might give the appearance of a show of force isn't allowed.

Officer leaves to talk to the alleged suspect, and then returns:


Officer: Is it a red purse with black trim and brass colored clasp with the initials MS on the side?

Victim: That's it. My name is Mary Smith and those are my initials. That's my purse.

Officer: I figured it was yours; he doesn't look like the purse type. The problem is he doesn't want to give it back.

Victim: Well, arrest him! He robbed me of that purse. He punched me, knocked me down and then took my purse. Look at this bruise on my arm, and I'm bleeding from my forehead.

Officer: I'm afraid I can't do that. He said he wouldn't allow me to arrest him. I can call the EMS folks though to treat you for your injuries. There will be a fee of course.

Victim: What??!! You have to arrest him. He committed a robbery and I'm the victim. I demand you arrest him.

Officer: I'm afraid I can't do that. He said he would fight if I tried to arrest him and our new Rules Of Engagement don't allow us to confront a hostile suspect.

Victim: Rules Of Engagement!!?? What the in the world is that?

Officer: Basically it means if the alleged suspect offers any resistance, or even says he will resist, our Rules Of Engagement say we shall NOT "engage". It's really quite simple and it makes our job much simpler. No more fights, no violence involved and everyone is much safer that way aren't they?

Victim: But he robbed me and he's standing right there. You mean you can't do anything?

Officer: Oh, whether or not I could do something doesn't matter. I'm not allowed to confront a possibly hostile suspect. Perhaps you could talk to him and see if he will come down to the precinct house and turn himself in.

Victim: That's it? That's all you can do?

Officer: Well, I can give you our web site and you can make a report of this alleged crime. It's a really neat web site, designed by the same folks that did that Affordable Care site. And I'd be glad to give you the office phone numbers for Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and Eric Holder.

Victim: Will they do anything?

Officer: Not really, they're only interested ' if I do something ' !

Victim: Well did you at least get his name so I know who the bad guy is when I make this report?

Officer: No, he didn't want to give me his name, -- and gosh -- all I can do is ask!

Victim: This is incredible. He's just standing over there like he knows nothing will be done about this.

Officer: I know. It happens all the time now. Well, have a nice day and call any time, we're here to help!

Victim: But officer -----.

Officer: You'll have to excuse me. I have to go apologize to that gentleman for disrupting his day.

Re: New Crime Scene Scenario --- in Anywhere USA

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 1:23 pm
by joe817
That's disgusting. I pray that we are not headed in that direction! :rules: :nono:

Re: New Crime Scene Scenario --- in Anywhere USA

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 1:42 pm
by cb1000rider
I don't know who "THEY" is, but I'm pretty sure that isn't what we want.

The point is well taken though, that if you go to affect an arrest and can't get physical about it, then lots of criminals are going to take advantage. Just like some people are aware of pursuit policies and are capable of taking advantage of those policies on occasion.

I'm disgusted by the nanny-state. Selling single cigarettes may very well be illegal, but that's not the sort of stuff I want my tax dollars spent on. I don't particularly want to see APD rampantly enforcing J-walking either. And using force in either of those situations, it's doesn't balance on the risk versus reward scale that I have in my head. This isn't the fault of LEOs, it's the fault of those that direct public policy - the same guys that don't understand the real impact to LEOs when they're asked to enforce some of this "stuff".

You can't ask LEOs not to use force. But you can direct sane public policy.. When your policies have solved all the real crime, I won't object to a crack down on single cigarette sales or jay-walking...