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surefire 60 and 100 quad stacks. How is the reliability among those?

I have a Surefire 60 rounder. No problems with it, but I have only emptied it once and shot with it on a couple other occasions. It worked. No hiccups in use or with loading at all.

I thought about the 100 rounder, but it is a bit longer and likely weighs more (loaded).

I'm happy with my two Pmags and a coupler.

I have a PMAG 40. It is pretty long. I have thought about a Surefire 60'. I didn't see the point since I have the redo-mag set up on one of my AR's.

Will a Maglula fill a 60 round magazine?

In other words, it's great for 30 rounders, but simply isn't strong enough force that many rounds into a 60 round magazine.

Or, will it?

Anyone know?

Thanks!

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Here's what the Weapons Man (ex SF) says:

It’s pretty bulky. There are good drums on the market already, including a couple with NSNs, but drums tend to have problems as practical mags. (When we tried to use them in SF, it was as a single mag to use gaining fire superiority as part of an ambush drill. We wound up regressing to standard capacity, 30-round magazines).

Some of the drums out there work well, and each has some pros and cons. But none of them has Magpul’s name and brand recognition behind it. Maybe we need to gather a few drums for a drum-off?

Angelrose1 wrote:My question is this. I have a Mini 14. I only use the Ruger steel mags. It can shoot both .223 and 5.56. Are the plastic mags that finicky, that it would shoot the 5.56 but not .223? And vice versa. I've never shot or owned an AR. So this discussion has raised my interest. there really is no difference in the ammo except internal pressure. At least that was my understanding...Thank you.

Actually, I think there is another difference....I believe the 62 gr bullet in 5.56 ammo is a little longer than the 55 gr bullet in .223, and requires a little more head space (if that's the correct term). Also I think the 62 gr round requires more barrel twist for stability (1/7 for 5.56 versus 1/12 for some .223 barrels).

My father-in-law gave me a P60 as a birthday present this year. So far I have only shot with it once and it worked flawlessly down to the last round. Filling it does take some time though. Using the built in ratchet mechanism to compress the spring takes a bit of getting used to. Furthermore when you start filling one pull on the lever will let you drop in 3rds but that very quickly drops to 2rds at a time and then just one. The manual states that the P60 is specifically designed to be kept fully charge for long periods. I am taking them at their word on that I have 60rds in it as my go-to home defence mag, For routine range practice I'll keep to 30rd sticks.

The attached pic shows it on my rifle.

AndyC wrote:...

My liking for them is... anything that gives the Moms fits makes me smile

Beiruty wrote:surefire 60 and 100 quad stacks. How is the reliability among those?

A friend of mine who has a ton of actual combat experience keeps a couple of 60 round Surefire mags in the bag with his day-to-day AR. He says they have been reliable, but his only compliant is that the loaded magazine is pretty heavy.

Gonna have to get me one. Just because.

As I see it:

Pros

It's a MAGPUL, and I've come to trust MAGPUL AR-15 and AR-10 magazines almost exclusively. Have a couple dozen milspec metal mags that sit in a box.

Capacity. Don't think I'd ever be interested in the 100-rounder, but the 60 may well fly. We saw the news article just last week about a home invasion conducted by seven perps. Just sayin'....

Length. According to the numbers, these ditties (D-60) are only 0.4 inches longer than a standard 30-round magazine. Any position you can shoot with a 3-round mag, you should be able to shoot with a D-60.

Cons

Weight. I don't have an empty MAGPUL 30-rounder to weigh (http://www.mtmcase-gard.com/products/sh ... ne-can.php) so I can't compare the D-60's 20.5 ounce empty weight to a standard 30-rounder. I assume it's several ounces more...call it at least 4 ounces more. Then there's the weight of 30 rounds of 5.56 55-grain: 12.5 ounces. So let's round it off at one pound difference.

On Noggin's bullpup, not much of an issue at all. Perfect application for it, in fact. (Did Noggin win the Father-in-Law lottery, or what?) On a typical Stoner platform, that extra weight would be about five inches forward of the base of your thumb and forefinger, and about 2.5 inches forward of the trigger. It's the old hold-a-broomstick-at-arm's-length thing. The farther from your body's center of gravity, the greater the perceived weight (and functional resistance).

Ain't sayin' it's a non-starter at all; just sayin' for on-the-move CQB the weight will definitely have an impact. And if you've trained for 30-rounders, an extra pound up front will absolutely throw you off until you get used to it.

Price. I have over a dozen MAGPUL 40-rounders. Was skeptical when they came out, as well. After many rounds from multiple mags, I now give them my blessing. And...they cost under $20; or less than 20% of the cost of a single D-60.

Manual at arms. You study to learn your weapon. You practice to understand your weapon. You train to use your weapon.

Ain't one of us gonna have gear suitable to hold a D-60 magazine for a quick tac-reload. Starting with a D-60 may be a good idea, but consider it disposable. When empty or judged needed, go to those milspec magazines and that familiar, ingrained muscle memory.