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if the open carry bill in Texas passes can you still carry concealed

roadrunner1340 wrote:if the open carry bill in Texas passes can you still carry concealed

It depends on which open carry bill you are referring to. There are more than one.

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joe817 wrote:

roadrunner1340 wrote:if the open carry bill in Texas passes can you still carry concealed

It depends on which open carry bill you are referring to. There are more than one.

Welcome to the forum.

I'm assuming that was a question, since there was no "?" at the end of it. Open Carry will not get rid of CHL, it will simply give you the option to carry concealed, or to open carry. That is true, whether or not the version of OC that passes is licensed or unlicensed. Even if unlicensed OC passes, Texas will still offer a CHL license for purposes of interstate reciprocity.

That said, unlicensed open carry has almost zero chance of passing in this session.

Thanks

The Annoyed Man wrote:

joe817 wrote:

roadrunner1340 wrote:if the open carry bill in Texas passes can you still carry concealed

It depends on which open carry bill you are referring to. There are more than one.

Welcome to the forum.

I'm assuming that was a question, since there was no "?" at the end of it. Open Carry will not get rid of CHL, it will simply give you the option to carry concealed, or to open carry. That is true, whether or not the version of OC that passes is licensed or unlicensed. Even if unlicensed OC passes, Texas will still offer a CHL license for purposes of interstate reciprocity.

That said, unlicensed open carry has almost zero chance of passing in this session.

Just to clarify, unlicensed open carry will still require you to have a valid CHL to carry concealed. Licensed open carry will require a CHL to do either.

Keith B wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:

joe817 wrote:

roadrunner1340 wrote:if the open carry bill in Texas passes can you still carry concealed

It depends on which open carry bill you are referring to. There are more than one.

Welcome to the forum.

I'm assuming that was a question, since there was no "?" at the end of it. Open Carry will not get rid of CHL, it will simply give you the option to carry concealed, or to open carry. That is true, whether or not the version of OC that passes is licensed or unlicensed. Even if unlicensed OC passes, Texas will still offer a CHL license for purposes of interstate reciprocity.

That said, unlicensed open carry has almost zero chance of passing in this session.

Just to clarify, unlicensed open carry will still require you to have a valid CHL to carry concealed. Licensed open carry will require a CHL to do either.

Admitting that I'm losing track of which bills are what, is that the constitutional carry bill for the "unlicensed open carry...valid CHL to carry concealed"?

Keith B wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:

joe817 wrote:

roadrunner1340 wrote:if the open carry bill in Texas passes can you still carry concealed

It depends on which open carry bill you are referring to. There are more than one.

Welcome to the forum.

I'm assuming that was a question, since there was no "?" at the end of it. Open Carry will not get rid of CHL, it will simply give you the option to carry concealed, or to open carry. That is true, whether or not the version of OC that passes is licensed or unlicensed. Even if unlicensed OC passes, Texas will still offer a CHL license for purposes of interstate reciprocity.

That said, unlicensed open carry has almost zero chance of passing in this session.

Just to clarify, unlicensed open carry will still require you to have a valid CHL to carry concealed. Licensed open carry will require a CHL to do either.

Yes, thank you. I was thinking "Constitutional Carry" when I typed "unlicensed OC". Keith is correct.

Glockster wrote:Admitting that I'm losing track of which bills are what, is that the constitutional carry bill for the "unlicensed open carry...valid CHL to carry concealed"?

I know.... I'm having trouble remembering which bill is which too.

So far as I know, none of the open carry bills actually removes CHL from the books. A properly written Constitutional Carry bill would bypass CHL by removing the requirement, but not killing it off entirely. Killing CHL would not be desirable. Here is why......

Vermont does not have reciprocity with Texas, for the simple reason that Vermont does not offer a concealed carry permit to those that want one. Yet, Vermont is a "Constitutional Carry" state. No permit is required to carry openly or concealed in Vermont. But because Vermont does not offer an "optional" concealed carry permit for its residents, they are not able to have reciprocity with Texas, or any other states that require a license to carry a firearm - whether openly or concealed. So, a Vermonter cannot carry concealed in Texas, because Texas currently requires a CHL, and that same Vermonter cannot carry openly in Oklahoma, because Oklahoma requires a license to carry both openly or concealed. However, that same Vermonter can carry openly or concealed in Arizona - which also has Constitutional Carry.

That said, Arizona does have reciprocity with Texas because, even though Arizona is a Constitutional Carry state, they do offer an optional concealed carry permit for those who want one for purposes of travel to other states. The importance of this was born out for me just yesterday at church. I played with the worship team yesterday, and one of the AV guys in the sound booth was a recent transplant from Arizona, and he and I had a conversation about CHL. He said that in Arizona, he routinely open carried his full-sized FN9 and never worried about it. He never bothered to get an Arizona concealed carry permit, because he didn't need one, and I guess he hadn't planned on moving to Texas (I gather than his move was a recent decision, rather than a long-planned one, and I don't know the background of why he moved). In any case, he was lamenting that he had not bothered to get his Arizona license, because now he can't carry in Texas until he establishes residency, applies for the license, and takes the CHL class.

THAT is why maintaining CHL as an available option is desirable for Texas, even in the unlikely event that Texas were to pass Constitutional Carry. It would give Texans the ability to carry their firearms while traveling to states that recognize the Texas CHL, but do not have Constitutional Carry themselves.

Glockster wrote:

Keith B wrote:Just to clarify, unlicensed open carry will still require you to have a valid CHL to carry concealed. Licensed open carry will require a CHL to do either.

Admitting that I'm losing track of which bills are what, is that the constitutional carry bill for the "unlicensed open carry...valid CHL to carry concealed"?

Actually, I was incorrect. HB 195 & SB 342 for unlicensed open carry contain the following:

SECTION 4. Sect. 46.15, Penal Code, is amended by adding Subsection (k) to read as follows:
(k) Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter or any other law to the contrary, no person shall be required to obtain any license to carry a handgun as a condition for being able to carry handguns openly or concealed in the State of Texas except a person who is prohibited from possessing a handgun under 18 USC § 922.

So, if one of these were to somehow get to a vote, then you would not need a license to carry concealed or openly in Texas. You would still need a license to carry in other states if required by their laws.

Keith B wrote:

Glockster wrote:

Keith B wrote:Just to clarify, unlicensed open carry will still require you to have a valid CHL to carry concealed. Licensed open carry will require a CHL to do either.

Admitting that I'm losing track of which bills are what, is that the constitutional carry bill for the "unlicensed open carry...valid CHL to carry concealed"?

Actually, I was incorrect. HB 195 & SB 342 for unlicensed open carry contain the following:

SECTION 4. Sect. 46.15, Penal Code, is amended by adding Subsection (k) to read as follows:
(k) Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter or any other law to the contrary, no person shall be required to obtain any license to carry a handgun as a condition for being able to carry handguns openly or concealed in the State of Texas except a person who is prohibited from possessing a handgun under 18 USC § 922.

So, if one of these were to somehow get to a vote, then you would not need a license to carry concealed or openly in Texas. You would still need a license to carry in other states if required by their laws.

Yeah, and that's kinda why I was asking so thanks. Does that mean that if HB 195 or SB 342 pass that they would still keep CHL so that we have that reciprocity ability (as discussed above)?

The Annoyed Man wrote:

Glockster wrote:Admitting that I'm losing track of which bills are what, is that the constitutional carry bill for the "unlicensed open carry...valid CHL to carry concealed"?

I know.... I'm having trouble remembering which bill is which too.

So far as I know, none of the open carry bills actually removes CHL from the books. A properly written Constitutional Carry bill would bypass CHL by removing the requirement, but not killing it off entirely. Killing CHL would not be desirable. Here is why......

Glad it's not just me as I feel like I need a cheat sheet to try to keep track. And that concern about removing CHL is what was on my mind as well and for that same reason.

Glockster wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:

Glockster wrote:Admitting that I'm losing track of which bills are what, is that the constitutional carry bill for the "unlicensed open carry...valid CHL to carry concealed"?

I know.... I'm having trouble remembering which bill is which too.

So far as I know, none of the open carry bills actually removes CHL from the books. A properly written Constitutional Carry bill would bypass CHL by removing the requirement, but not killing it off entirely. Killing CHL would not be desirable. Here is why......

Glad it's not just me as I feel like I need a cheat sheet to try to keep track. And that concern about removing CHL is what was on my mind as well and for that same reason.

Here is your cheat sheet: https://www.texasfirearmscoalition.com/ ... ve-session

The Annoyed Man wrote:

Glockster wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:

Glockster wrote:Admitting that I'm losing track of which bills are what, is that the constitutional carry bill for the "unlicensed open carry...valid CHL to carry concealed"?

I know.... I'm having trouble remembering which bill is which too.

So far as I know, none of the open carry bills actually removes CHL from the books. A properly written Constitutional Carry bill would bypass CHL by removing the requirement, but not killing it off entirely. Killing CHL would not be desirable. Here is why......

Glad it's not just me as I feel like I need a cheat sheet to try to keep track. And that concern about removing CHL is what was on my mind as well and for that same reason.

Here is your cheat sheet: https://www.texasfirearmscoalition.com/ ... ve-session

Thanks! Couldn't remember where I'd seen that but couldn't find it here.