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Question on 30.06 (and 30.07)
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:24 pm
by casp625
Sec. 30.06. TRESPASS BY HOLDER OF LICENSE TO CARRY CONCEALED HANDGUN. (a) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder:
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(3) "Written communication" means:
(A) a card or other document on which is written language identical to the following: "Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (trespass by holder of license to carry a concealed handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (concealed handgun law), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun"; or
(B) a sign posted on the property that:
(i) includes the language described by Paragraph (A) in both English and Spanish;
(ii) appears in contrasting colors with block letters at least one inch in height; and
(iii) is displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public.
I remember when I first read this and thought it could be used for a different interpretation... Doesn't this "or" (from above) mean that 30.06 signs don't have to be compliant with 3(B) as long as they are compliant with 3(A)? Thoughts?
Re: Question on 30.06 (and 30.07)
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:28 pm
by aceat64
3A only applies to a card or written document. If it's posted somewhere, it's a sign and has to follow 3B.
Re: Question on 30.06 (and 30.07)
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:41 pm
by casp625
aceat64 wrote:3A only applies to a card or written document. If it's posted somewhere, it's a sign and has to follow 3B.
Oh I didn't think of it like that! What are some instances where a business would use a card or written document over a posted sign?
Re: Question on 30.06 (and 30.07)
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:43 pm
by CleverNickname
casp625 wrote:aceat64 wrote:3A only applies to a card or written document. If it's posted somewhere, it's a sign and has to follow 3B.
Oh I didn't think of it like that! What are some instances where a business would use a card or written document over a posted sign?
If they charge admission, it could be on the ticket. If they hand out programs or guides or something to all visitors/customers, they could print it there. There's a lot of possibilities.
Re: Question on 30.06 (and 30.07)
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:55 pm
by casp625
CleverNickname wrote:
If they charge admission, it could be on the ticket. If they hand out programs or guides or something to all visitors/customers, they could print it there. There's a lot of possibilities.
Can't remember the last time I was handed something, especially something I felt compelled to read... I'd hate to be at church or a funeral and have 30.06 printed in the pamphlet somewhere and not even notice
Re: Question on 30.06 (and 30.07)
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:27 am
by joe817
casp625 wrote:CleverNickname wrote:
If they charge admission, it could be on the ticket. If they hand out programs or guides or something to all visitors/customers, they could print it there. There's a lot of possibilities.
Can't remember the last time I was handed something, especially something I felt compelled to read... I'd hate to be at church or a funeral and have 30.06 printed in the pamphlet somewhere and not even notice
Another way to display, is on a stand up plackard on a counter, of a business......I've never seen one.
I've only seen them posted on entrances. But that's
NOT to say they don't exist in difficult to see places. That's why, whenever I go into a place where I've not been before, I check
carefully of all signs, plaques, and postings. I check carefully. The side benefit of that, it helps train me of situational awareness. Which is always a good thing.
Re: Question on 30.06 (and 30.07)
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:14 pm
by casp625
Thanks for all the replies folks :)
So when the new 30.06 & 30.07 laws take effect, will all the old signs be invalid? What if businesses don't post new signs?
Re: Question on 30.06 (and 30.07)
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 9:42 pm
by jmra
casp625 wrote:Thanks for all the replies folks :)
So when the new 30.06 & 30.07 laws take effect, will all the old signs be invalid? What if businesses don't post new signs?
What new 30.06?
Re: Question on 30.06 (and 30.07)
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 10:45 pm
by casp625
jmra wrote:casp625 wrote:Thanks for all the replies folks :)
So when the new 30.06 & 30.07 laws take effect, will all the old signs be invalid? What if businesses don't post new signs?
What new 30.06?
Sorry for the confusion, was referring to 30.06 in SB17 that just passed. I know it's only half way to being a law but I'm being optimistic
Perhaps my question would best be suited for the SB17 discussion thread, thanks!
Re: Question on 30.06 (and 30.07)
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 10:50 pm
by jmra
casp625 wrote:jmra wrote:casp625 wrote:Thanks for all the replies folks :)
So when the new 30.06 & 30.07 laws take effect, will all the old signs be invalid? What if businesses don't post new signs?
What new 30.06?
Sorry for the confusion, was referring to 30.06 in SB17 that just passed. I know it's only half way to being a law but I'm being optimistic
Perhaps my question would best be suited for the SB17 discussion thread, thanks!
I wasn't aware there was a new 30.06 sign in SB17. Did I miss something? I knew about the new 30.07 but haven't heard anything about a new 30.06.
Re: Question on 30.06 (and 30.07)
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:03 pm
by joe817
jmra wrote:casp625 wrote:jmra wrote:casp625 wrote:Thanks for all the replies folks :) So when the new 30.06 & 30.07 laws take effect, will all the old signs be invalid? What if businesses don't post new signs?
What new 30.06?
Sorry for the confusion, was referring to 30.06 in SB17 that just passed. I know it's only half way to being a law but I'm being optimistic
Perhaps my question would best be suited for the SB17 discussion thread, thanks!
I wasn't aware there was a new 30.06 sign in SB17. Did I miss something? I knew about the new 30.07 but haven't heard anything about a new 30.06.
There is a bill that's been introduced that will radically change how 30.06 will effect us all and where we would be able to carry where we can't carry now, if the bill passes. It's worth reading the text. It's a real eye opener, and perhaps THE most important CHL related bill in this legislative session.
HB308
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 00308I.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: Question on 30.06 (and 30.07)
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:07 pm
by casp625
jmra wrote:
I wasn't aware there was a new 30.06 sign in SB17. Did I miss something? I knew about the new 30.07 but haven't heard anything about a new 30.06.
Just some modification in the specific language. Everything that is bold in OLD is what is being removed, and everything bold in NEW is what was added.
OLD (
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/D ... /PE.30.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;):
(3)
"Written communication" means:
(A) a card or other document on which is written language identical to the following: "Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (trespass by holder of license to carry a concealed handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (concealedhandgun law), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun"; or
NEW (
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 00017E.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;):
(3)
"Written communication" means:
A) a card or other document on which is written language identical to the following: "Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (trespass by license holder with a concealed handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (handgun licensing law), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun";
Re: Question on 30.06 (and 30.07)
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:09 pm
by jmra
joe817 wrote:jmra wrote:casp625 wrote:jmra wrote:casp625 wrote:Thanks for all the replies folks :) So when the new 30.06 & 30.07 laws take effect, will all the old signs be invalid? What if businesses don't post new signs?
What new 30.06?
Sorry for the confusion, was referring to 30.06 in SB17 that just passed. I know it's only half way to being a law but I'm being optimistic
Perhaps my question would best be suited for the SB17 discussion thread, thanks!
I wasn't aware there was a new 30.06 sign in SB17. Did I miss something? I knew about the new 30.07 but haven't heard anything about a new 30.06.
There is a bill that's been introduced that will radically change how 30.06 will effect us all and where we would be able to carry where we can't carry now, if the bill passes. It's worth reading the text. It's a real eye opener, and perhaps THE most important CHL related bill in this legislative session.
HB308
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 00308I.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Yes, I'm aware of HB308 but I believe he was referring to OC (in his response he mentioned SB17). I was just wanting to make sure I hadn't missed something in Sb17 related to 30.06.
Re: Question on 30.06 (and 30.07)
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:10 pm
by jmra
casp625 wrote:jmra wrote:
I wasn't aware there was a new 30.06 sign in SB17. Did I miss something? I knew about the new 30.07 but haven't heard anything about a new 30.06.
Just some modification in the specific language. Everything that is bold in OLD is what is being removed, and everything bold in NEW is what was added.
OLD (
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/D ... /PE.30.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;):
(3)
"Written communication" means:
(A) a card or other document on which is written language identical to the following: "Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (trespass by holder of license to carry a concealed handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (concealedhandgun law), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun"; or
NEW (
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 00017E.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;):
(3)
"Written communication" means:
A) a card or other document on which is written language identical to the following: "Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (trespass by license holder with a concealed handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (handgun licensing law), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun";
Thanks.
Re: Question on 30.06 (and 30.07)
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:31 pm
by joe817
Ahhhh, Ok I see what you are getting at.
Those items are in Sections 42, 43 and 44 of Government Code 411.
There IS some wording changes of the existing 30.06, and the addition to the new 30.07.
IMO, those changes are necessary to accomodate open carry.
I really don't see where the confusion is though.