Is the cat out of the bag on 30.06?
Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:31 pm
Grab a cup of coffee and get comfortable this might be a little long.
I know a lot of people hang their hopes and dreams on 30.06. I understand its importance in our current political reality and what it took to get that far.
But I have always said that 30.06 is a flimsy protection at best because of how easy it is for someone to post a sign and legally prohibit you from exercising your 2A rights.
We all know that criminals don’t obey signs or laws so I think signs and CHL licensing, NFA 1934, GCA 1968, etc. etc. and anything less that Nation Wide Constitutional Carry, OC or CC, long gun or handgun, full auto, suppressed, less than 16” barrel SBR,SBS, AOW is a 2A infringement and ludicrous. None of it makes us safer. It only restricts the law abiding citizen and is ignored by criminals. But I digress.
Improper 30.06 signage has been the inside joke amongst CHLers and an excuse to thumb our noses at the Antis. “Look at us and how we are fooling them”.
Little do we realize that maybe the joke could be on us if we are perceived as “those lawbreaking CHLers” and prompts any changes with 30.06.
Whether intentionally posting improper signs that don’t meet the letter of the law to appease the Antis but give the nod to CHLers or by ignorance, both the gunbuster and improper signs that actually contain 30.06 language or other 51% etc., but don’t meet the letter of the law go ignored. And lawfully so.
However IMHO, if the sign contains the proper 30.06 language, is conspicuously located where there is no way you can’t see it, is close to compliant, but is not exactly compliant due to color, size, etc. then it has the potential to become a beat the rap not the ride situation and if it’s close enough you might not beat the rap. I wish you luck trying to explain the finer points of 30.06 to the arresting officer should you somehow get noticed and good luck in court.
It's the improper 30.06 signs that are close that I think are at issue.
I was never one of those “lets not rock the boat so no one posts anymore 30.06 signs” kinda folks. I believe we should continue to advance gun rights until there are no 2A infringements left. Maintaining the status quo is a losing proposition as the Antis continue to chip away at the stone. If you aren’t gaining, your losing.
I don’t believe in censorship from the opposing side or censoring ourselves to appease the opposing side. Censorship may hide the truth but doesn’t make it go away.
I believe we should converse amongst ourselves and preach the word, when we are afraid to do that then the other side wins. However, we should do it in a tactful way.
I am happy to see SB11, SB17, SB273, HB308 and all the other pro-gun bills in the TX legislature. Even at the risk of 30.06. If you can never advance anything without jeopardizing it then it just goes to prove how fragile its protection is to begin with.
Now I came across this recent article about 30.06 and was surprised at both at what it did contain and not contain.
It did not contain any references of any current pending legislation.
It did contain much mention of TXCHLFORUM and of posts by its members. Caution, article contains language not suitable for all audiences.
http://tinyurl.com/Texas-Gunner-Disregard-Signs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Read the entire article. It may be much ado about nothing but the other side will take every opportunity to make us look bad and they are always trying in the never ending battle. What impact will it have? IDK.
Remember, not alerting others to the fact that a 30.06 sign is needed to keep CHLers out, or improper signs don’t have the force of law is one thing. To much public nose thumbing about the fact that they can be ignored is another. Relying solely on the ignorance of others to keep 30.06 effectively in our favor was never a good plan. Which is why we must keep on fighting to remove 2A infringements.
Support HB567.
I know a lot of people hang their hopes and dreams on 30.06. I understand its importance in our current political reality and what it took to get that far.
But I have always said that 30.06 is a flimsy protection at best because of how easy it is for someone to post a sign and legally prohibit you from exercising your 2A rights.
We all know that criminals don’t obey signs or laws so I think signs and CHL licensing, NFA 1934, GCA 1968, etc. etc. and anything less that Nation Wide Constitutional Carry, OC or CC, long gun or handgun, full auto, suppressed, less than 16” barrel SBR,SBS, AOW is a 2A infringement and ludicrous. None of it makes us safer. It only restricts the law abiding citizen and is ignored by criminals. But I digress.
Improper 30.06 signage has been the inside joke amongst CHLers and an excuse to thumb our noses at the Antis. “Look at us and how we are fooling them”.
Little do we realize that maybe the joke could be on us if we are perceived as “those lawbreaking CHLers” and prompts any changes with 30.06.
Whether intentionally posting improper signs that don’t meet the letter of the law to appease the Antis but give the nod to CHLers or by ignorance, both the gunbuster and improper signs that actually contain 30.06 language or other 51% etc., but don’t meet the letter of the law go ignored. And lawfully so.
However IMHO, if the sign contains the proper 30.06 language, is conspicuously located where there is no way you can’t see it, is close to compliant, but is not exactly compliant due to color, size, etc. then it has the potential to become a beat the rap not the ride situation and if it’s close enough you might not beat the rap. I wish you luck trying to explain the finer points of 30.06 to the arresting officer should you somehow get noticed and good luck in court.
It's the improper 30.06 signs that are close that I think are at issue.
I was never one of those “lets not rock the boat so no one posts anymore 30.06 signs” kinda folks. I believe we should continue to advance gun rights until there are no 2A infringements left. Maintaining the status quo is a losing proposition as the Antis continue to chip away at the stone. If you aren’t gaining, your losing.
I don’t believe in censorship from the opposing side or censoring ourselves to appease the opposing side. Censorship may hide the truth but doesn’t make it go away.
I believe we should converse amongst ourselves and preach the word, when we are afraid to do that then the other side wins. However, we should do it in a tactful way.
I am happy to see SB11, SB17, SB273, HB308 and all the other pro-gun bills in the TX legislature. Even at the risk of 30.06. If you can never advance anything without jeopardizing it then it just goes to prove how fragile its protection is to begin with.
Now I came across this recent article about 30.06 and was surprised at both at what it did contain and not contain.
It did not contain any references of any current pending legislation.
It did contain much mention of TXCHLFORUM and of posts by its members. Caution, article contains language not suitable for all audiences.
http://tinyurl.com/Texas-Gunner-Disregard-Signs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Read the entire article. It may be much ado about nothing but the other side will take every opportunity to make us look bad and they are always trying in the never ending battle. What impact will it have? IDK.
Remember, not alerting others to the fact that a 30.06 sign is needed to keep CHLers out, or improper signs don’t have the force of law is one thing. To much public nose thumbing about the fact that they can be ignored is another. Relying solely on the ignorance of others to keep 30.06 effectively in our favor was never a good plan. Which is why we must keep on fighting to remove 2A infringements.
Support HB567.