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Certainly would come in handy for those that do a lot of shooting.Why not download by ONE, and reverse the sides? IE, if the next round isn't on the right, then it's not loaded?couzin wrote:Seems like it probably works - until it doesn't and you don't know it and you are in a bad spot. I will continue to load one at a time visually checking for right / left. I also download the larger mags by two - so that the first round is always stripped off the right side, then pull the mag, if the next round isn't on the left, the rifle is not loaded. Old school but old dog new tricks... Anyways - having about ten full magazines on board is always the the best reloading scenario. Essayons.
The Annoyed Man wrote:Why not download by ONE, and reverse the sides? IE, if the next round isn't on the right, then it's not loaded?couzin wrote:Seems like it probably works - until it doesn't and you don't know it and you are in a bad spot. I will continue to load one at a time visually checking for right / left. I also download the larger mags by two - so that the first round is always stripped off the right side, then pull the mag, if the next round isn't on the left, the rifle is not loaded. Old school but old dog new tricks... Anyways - having about ten full magazines on board is always the the best reloading scenario. Essayons.
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Why not top off the mag and then simply pull the charging handle back until you can confirm the loaded round through the ejection port? That leaves the magazine in the gun, where it can be used, instead of doubling your reload time.
Am I missing something?
A presss check. Isn't that what a forward assist is for?From what I gather, its a Vietnam-era thing. They had 20 round mags then, with flaky followers, and so they would get mis-feeds if they loaded a full 20. Later the 30 round magazines became the standard, but still had flaky followers. Today's magazines are a world beyond the old ones, even today's GI metal magazines. They have better followers and improved springs over the early models. Some rifles/carbines can still be picky about stripping the top round from a full magazine, but I believe it to be a rare thing.The Annoyed Man wrote:Why not download by ONE, and reverse the sides? IE, if the next round isn't on the right, then it's not loaded?couzin wrote:Seems like it probably works - until it doesn't and you don't know it and you are in a bad spot. I will continue to load one at a time visually checking for right / left. I also download the larger mags by two - so that the first round is always stripped off the right side, then pull the mag, if the next round isn't on the left, the rifle is not loaded. Old school but old dog new tricks... Anyways - having about ten full magazines on board is always the the best reloading scenario. Essayons.
OR....
Why not top off the mag and then simply pull the charging handle back until you can confirm the loaded round through the ejection port? That leaves the magazine in the gun, where it can be used, instead of doubling your reload time.
Am I missing something?
I clearly remember being taught to load 18 in the 20 round magazine (I'm an Air Force Combat Security Police AZR course grad from 1970) and that the flaky followers were blamed for more misloads than anything else. We did the pull the charging handle back a little bit to verify a load - I wouldn't for the life of me think that ejecting a magazine right then, to check whether the next round in the mag was lined up on the left or the right, would be a good idea.K.Mooneyham wrote:
From what I gather, its a Vietnam-era thing. They had 20 round mags then, with flaky followers, and so they would get mis-feeds if they loaded a full 20. Later the 30 round magazines became the standard, but still had flaky followers. Today's magazines are a world beyond the old ones, even today's GI metal magazines. They have better followers and improved springs over the early models. Some rifles/carbines can still be picky about stripping the top round from a full magazine, but I believe it to be a rare thing.
n5wd wrote:I clearly remember being taught to load 18 in the 20 round magazine (I'm an Air Force Combat Security Police AZR course grad from 1970) and that the flaky followers were blamed for more misloads than anything else. We did the pull the charging handle back a little bit to verify a load - I wouldn't for the life of me think that ejecting a magazine right then, to check whether the next round in the mag was lined up on the left or the right, would be a good idea.K.Mooneyham wrote:
From what I gather, its a Vietnam-era thing. They had 20 round mags then, with flaky followers, and so they would get mis-feeds if they loaded a full 20. Later the 30 round magazines became the standard, but still had flaky followers. Today's magazines are a world beyond the old ones, even today's GI metal magazines. They have better followers and improved springs over the early models. Some rifles/carbines can still be picky about stripping the top round from a full magazine, but I believe it to be a rare thing.
We didn't really have much training on the M-16 during basic training. It was more of a familiarization with the rifle than anything else. I don't think we fired more than 100 rounds during basic - altogether it couldn't have been more than one or one-and-a-half days of training on the rifle. The AZR course, two or theee weeks worth of Camp Bullard before heading to Vietnam, is where I got more of the training with the M-16 and, I believe, the CAR-15 as well.
yes me to DI stressed 18 in a 20 rounder. If we loaded more than 18 those extra 2 got bounced off our heads at close range of course without a cover