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City dwellers: "wealth-adjusted" community utopias coming
Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 12:36 pm
by VMI77
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-1 ... ally-plan-
According to The Hill, the administration is moving forward with regulations designed to help diversify America’s wealthier neighborhoods, such as building affordable housing in more affluent areas.
The official title of Obama's latest proposal to have the government centrally-plan your community: The Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing rule, a name that only the person who penned the US Freedom Act could have come up with.
The underlying motive: "unfair" segregation sprinkled with a hint of latent racist guilt. "
A final Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) rule due out this month is aimed at ending decades of deep-rooted segregation around the country. “HUD is working with communities across the country to fulfill the promise of equal opportunity for all,” a HUD spokeswoman said. “The proposed policy seeks to break down barriers to access to opportunity in communities supported by HUD funds.”
"Wealthier" doesn't mean like where John Corrazine and his Wall Street pals hang out. But hey, maybe as anygun is fond of saying, the GOP will save you

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Edited to add....this just in:
BREAKING: House Democrats delivered a stinging defeat to President Obama’s trade agenda when a vast majority voted to derail legislation designed help him advance a sweeping deal with 11 Pacific-rim nations.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... story.html
I may have to start voting Democrat....they're more opposition for Obama than the GOP is.

Re: City dwellers: "wealth-adjusted" community utopias comin
Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 1:13 pm
by Syntyr
VMI77 wrote:
BREAKING: House Democrats delivered a stinging defeat to President Obama’s trade agenda when a vast majority voted to derail legislation designed help him advance a sweeping deal with 11 Pacific-rim nations.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... story.html
I may have to start voting Democrat....they're more opposition for Obama than the GOP is.

Saw that! I shudder to think I might agree with you. Wow

Re: City dwellers: "wealth-adjusted" community utopias comin
Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 2:38 pm
by anygunanywhere
VMI77 wrote:http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-1 ... ally-plan-
According to The Hill, the administration is moving forward with regulations designed to help diversify America’s wealthier neighborhoods, such as building affordable housing in more affluent areas.
The official title of Obama's latest proposal to have the government centrally-plan your community: The Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing rule, a name that only the person who penned the US Freedom Act could have come up with.
The underlying motive: "unfair" segregation sprinkled with a hint of latent racist guilt. "
A final Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) rule due out this month is aimed at ending decades of deep-rooted segregation around the country. “HUD is working with communities across the country to fulfill the promise of equal opportunity for all,” a HUD spokeswoman said. “The proposed policy seeks to break down barriers to access to opportunity in communities supported by HUD funds.”
"Wealthier" doesn't mean like where John Corrazine and his Wall Street pals hang out. But hey, maybe as anygun is fond of saying, the GOP will save you

.
Edited to add....this just in:
BREAKING: House Democrats delivered a stinging defeat to President Obama’s trade agenda when a vast majority voted to derail legislation designed help him advance a sweeping deal with 11 Pacific-rim nations.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... story.html
I may have to start voting Democrat....they're more opposition for Obama than the GOP is.

o
Does that mean that the progs have gone so far left they made the full circle and are back on the right?
The GOP will save us, won't they? John? Mitch?
Re: City dwellers: "wealth-adjusted" community utopias comin
Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 3:18 pm
by BobCat
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Re: City dwellers: "wealth-adjusted" community utopias comin
Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 3:36 pm
by VMI77
anygunanywhere wrote:VMI77 wrote:http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-1 ... ally-plan-
According to The Hill, the administration is moving forward with regulations designed to help diversify America’s wealthier neighborhoods, such as building affordable housing in more affluent areas.
The official title of Obama's latest proposal to have the government centrally-plan your community: The Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing rule, a name that only the person who penned the US Freedom Act could have come up with.
The underlying motive: "unfair" segregation sprinkled with a hint of latent racist guilt. "
A final Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) rule due out this month is aimed at ending decades of deep-rooted segregation around the country. “HUD is working with communities across the country to fulfill the promise of equal opportunity for all,” a HUD spokeswoman said. “The proposed policy seeks to break down barriers to access to opportunity in communities supported by HUD funds.”
"Wealthier" doesn't mean like where John Corrazine and his Wall Street pals hang out. But hey, maybe as anygun is fond of saying, the GOP will save you

.
Edited to add....this just in:
BREAKING: House Democrats delivered a stinging defeat to President Obama’s trade agenda when a vast majority voted to derail legislation designed help him advance a sweeping deal with 11 Pacific-rim nations.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... story.html
I may have to start voting Democrat....they're more opposition for Obama than the GOP is.

o
Does that mean that the progs have gone so far left they made the full circle and are back on the right?
The GOP will save us, won't they? John? Mitch?
Don't forget those snakes Rubio and Ryan.
Re: City dwellers: "wealth-adjusted" community utopias comin
Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 4:52 pm
by Oldgringo
Will these diverse "wealth-adjusted" comunities be like the development in McKinney where the neighborhood (and then some) swimming pool party made international news last week?
Re: City dwellers: "wealth-adjusted" community utopias comin
Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 2:39 am
by JSThane
I'm not sure it has anything to do with O's long-term agenda, though. I suspect the D's opposed it because they finally realized they're trading away ALL Congress' power in exchange for a handful of pennies from Barry, and they'd much rather grab the power back.
I'm not sure what McConnell, Boehner, and the aforementioned "snakes" are doing, though, unless they're so scared of being a majority party that they're attempting to throw power away as fast as they can, and if principles go out as well, them's the prices. The only alternative idea is that they're as socialist/communist as Zero, and that hardly bears thinking. Spineless and incompetent quislings are still a (little) better than outright traitors.
Re: City dwellers: "wealth-adjusted" community utopias comin
Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 7:40 am
by rbwhatever1
Trying to turn the entire country into one big riot infested roach hotel...
Re: City dwellers: "wealth-adjusted" community utopias comin
Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 8:21 am
by jmra
“This rule is not about forcing anyone to live anywhere they don’t want to,” said Margery Turner, senior vice president at the left-leaning Urban Institute. “It’s really about addressing long-standing practices that prevent people from living where they want to.”
where do I sign up for my free $10M mansion?
Re: City dwellers: "wealth-adjusted" community utopias comin
Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 11:06 am
by Oldgringo
jmra wrote:“This rule is not about forcing anyone to live anywhere they don’t want to,” said Margery Turner, senior vice president at the left-leaning Urban Institute. “It’s really about addressing long-standing practices that prevent people from living where they want to.”
where do I sign up for my free $10M mansion?
I'm not interested unless mine comes with a big yard....a really big fenced yard.

Re: City dwellers: "wealth-adjusted" community utopias comin
Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 11:25 am
by Abraham
“It’s really about addressing long-standing practices that prevent people from living where they want to.”
If you don't make above average earnings, you can't "afford" to live in my neighborhood, but no one would prevent or try to prevent you from living in my neighborhood no matter your race, creed, blah, blah, etc....if you have the bucks.
Broke, make low wages, not motivated to do better, that's on you.
Re: City dwellers: "wealth-adjusted" community utopias comin
Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 8:31 pm
by jason812
Another reason why I dont have neighbors closer than 1/4 mile and I only have 1. The freeloaders wont move to the middle of nowhere even if its free.
Re: City dwellers: "wealth-adjusted" community utopias comin
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:11 pm
by VMI77
JSThane wrote:I'm not sure it has anything to do with O's long-term agenda, though. I suspect the D's opposed it because they finally realized they're trading away ALL Congress' power in exchange for a handful of pennies from Barry, and they'd much rather grab the power back.
I'm not sure what McConnell, Boehner, and the aforementioned "snakes" are doing, though, unless they're so scared of being a majority party that they're attempting to throw power away as fast as they can, and if principles go out as well, them's the prices. The only alternative idea is that they're as socialist/communist as Zero, and that hardly bears thinking. Spineless and incompetent quislings are still a (little) better than outright traitors.
Oh, I'm prepared to believe the D vote was straight up political theater. Their turn at some pretend opposition, or just to highlight what a bunch of snakes we have in the national GOP. Either is more likely than the D's opposed it on principle.
Re: City dwellers: "wealth-adjusted" community utopias comin
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:29 pm
by The Annoyed Man
If anyone is dumb enough to think that, by helping poor people buy "affordable housing" in Southlake, those same poor people will be able to afford Southlake's property tax rates, that person is dumber than a bag of hammers. Why? Because, Tarrant County's tax rates will be based on the assessed value of the home, not the federal government-subsidy the buyer used to help pay for it......and the county has the right to reassess that property's value up or down as it sees fit......and it never goes down.
Re: City dwellers: "wealth-adjusted" community utopias comin
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:23 pm
by VMI77
The Annoyed Man wrote:If anyone is dumb enough to think that, by helping poor people buy "affordable housing" in Southlake, those same poor people will be able to afford Southlake's property tax rates, that person is dumber than a bag of hammers. Why? Because, Tarrant County's tax rates will be based on the assessed value of the home, not the federal government-subsidy the buyer used to help pay for it......and the county has the right to reassess that property's value up or down as it sees fit......and it never goes down.
I don't think there is really going to be much buying as opposed to renting (although I suppose it's possible the rest of us will just have to pay their taxes and their mortgage). In any case, either the Section 8 crowd will be renters, and the rest of us will be paying, or they'll be buyers and the rest of us will still be paying. My guess is that if the program extends to buyers the government will be either subsidizing or paying the entire mortgage including property taxes and insurance.
Chicago was paying Section 8 renters up to $3,200 a month to rent upscale apartments, and recently lowered the payouts some due to a lot of negative publicity. In apartment complexes the incentive is an upfront 20% payday for the developers before a single paying renter appears. The flip-side is that In some cases in more upscale complexes the Section 8 payday has bankrupted the entire project because the Section 8 renters drove out most of the other paying occupants. Why pay your $3200 a month rent and your neighbor's rent and then have to put up with the same kind of neighbors and behavior you were paying the $3200 to escape from in the first place?
From comments I've read following various articles the current system has already destroyed numerous urban communities throughout the country and Texas. BTW, I don't know about assessments "never" going down. We sold a place in town and bought a place with acreage out in the country. The acreage assessment has increased about 800% since 2009, however, the homestead portion did actually decrease some over that period of time. Not that it matters much, since the taxes on the homestead are a very small portion of the total and that went up 50% over last year.
Conversely, the place we sold in town was assessed for some $45K more than what we could sell it for (mid 2014). The assessment went down to match the sales price, so the new owner got a few months at the reduced rate. Come 2015 though, the assessment went back up by $135K, so it didn't last long. Current taxes on the property are $8,000 per year, about $2,000 more than what we were paying before we sold. But you're right in the main....the overall trend isn't just up, but up in a steep near stall climb.