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Cop shot by three suspects in Illinois

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 12:37 pm
by mojo84

Re: Cop shot by three suspects in Chicago suburb

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 12:38 pm
by Taypo
mojo84 wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/09/01/ma ... tcmp=hpbt1

It's going to get ugly.
:iagree:

It's already ugly...its just getting worse by the day.

Re: Cop shot by three suspects in Chicago suburb

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 1:03 pm
by Middle Age Russ
I don't know many facts about this most current event and the following could therefore end up being irrelevant, but... The crux of the Lives Matter argument would seem to be that folks shouldn't be killed for little or no reason. If that is indeed the rationale for the movement, why then escalate tension with law enforcement -- folks who are armed and supposedly already have a bias against you? If lives are really what matters, folks ought to realize that keeping on the straight and narrow is far more likely to enhance life expectancy than picking fights with armed agencies. Therefore, I am back to questioning the real motives behind the movement and the escalating tensions.

Re: Cop shot by three suspects in Chicago suburb

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 1:11 pm
by Taypo
Middle Age Russ wrote:I don't know many facts about this most current event and the following could therefore end up being irrelevant, but... The crux of the Lives Matter argument would seem to be that folks shouldn't be killed for little or not reason. If that is indeed the rationale for the movement, why then escalate tension with law enforcement -- folks who are armed and supposedly already have a bias against you? If lives are really what matters, folks ought to realize that keeping on the straight and narrow is far more likely to enhance life expectancy than picking fights with armed agencies. Therefore, I am back to questioning the real motives behind the movement and the escalating tensions.
It's a matter of psychology. If someone so inclined can unite people against a common enemy, they're easier to control. Groups like LivesMatter are taking folks that are disenfranchised with their lot in life for whatever reason and convincing them that the real reason they're unhappy is the police and the establishment. It's easier to accept than the true reasons, so they're hooked.

Motives? That's easy - power. They're building a psuedo Army.

Re: Cop shot by three suspects in Illinois

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:04 pm
by cb1000rider
I don't know about a psuedo Army or "real" agenda, but sitting silently and saying nothing isn't going to solve the problem. It's the use of widespread video that has brought this to the attention of the public via the media... I just wonder what it was really like 50 years ago before everyone had a camera.

If we should all go about our day and there's nothing to see here, you're a lot less concerned than me.

I'm not concerned about a revolution, but something fundamental needs to change with the way we go about policing in this country.

Note, there is no excuse for cop killing.. Or unnecessary use of deadly force by any party.

Re: Cop shot by three suspects in Illinois

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:22 pm
by JALLEN
"The seeds of totalitarian regimes are nurtured by misery and want. They spread and grow in the evil soil of poverty and strife. They reach their full growth when the hope of a people for a better life has died. We must keep that hope alive." -- Harry Truman, in a speech about what is known as "The Truman Doctrine"

Re: Cop shot by three suspects in Illinois

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:34 pm
by Cjwglock19
And from the White House all you hear is crickets! :bigear:

Re: Cop shot by three suspects in Illinois

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:01 pm
by Right2Carry
They are starting a war that they cannot win.

Re: Cop shot by three suspects in Illinois

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:13 pm
by cb1000rider
Right2Carry wrote:They are starting a war that they cannot win.
Who is they? And who started it?

Re: Cop shot by three suspects in Illinois

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:45 pm
by Right2Carry
cb1000rider wrote:
Right2Carry wrote:They are starting a war that they cannot win.
Who is they? And who started it?
The COP killers!

Re: Cop shot by three suspects in Illinois

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 8:49 am
by Abraham
There's a criminal element to the BLM that want to do crime without punishment.

With chants of "Kill the pig - an Fry em up Like Bacon.

Or "What do we want? Dead Cops! When do we want em? Now!

Then there's this: "Mitchell, a former assistant district attorney, offered shoplifting as an example, suggesting that communities of color may prefer that police refrain from enforcing laws against theft from large retail chains because responding to such crimes leads to an increased police presence in neighborhoods where shoplifting is prevalent."

BLM is loved by the Democrat party.

Obama had plenty to say that was anti-LEO after Ferguson.

BLM is heavily populated by criminal racists, and useful idiots.

There is nothing good about BLM.

Re: Cop shot by three suspects in Illinois

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 8:56 am
by Taypo
As much as I hate the "Its Obama's Fault" punchline these days, I think a fair part of the current war on LEOs falls squarely on him. He's used his pulpit repeatedly to speak out against what he deems to be racism, but he's almost stubbornly silent when officers are targeted.

Almost like he's trying to erode the stability of the country...

Re: Cop shot by three suspects in Illinois

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:15 am
by cb1000rider
Right2Carry wrote:
cb1000rider wrote:
Right2Carry wrote:They are starting a war that they cannot win.
Who is they? And who started it?
The COP killers!

You sure it's not a reaction to poor policing being caught on video? I don't condone killing on either side, but I'm not sure it's as simple as you've made it out to be:
nyj wrote:As much as I support our officers, if they keep pulling crap like this, it's a matter of time before full on war is initiated against all cops by people. Shootings like that of the deputy in Harris county will become common.

Re: Cop shot by three suspects in Illinois

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:32 am
by mojo84
It also could be another chicken or the egg came first argument. (I'm well aware of the Christian belief) Just using it as an example.

Re: Cop shot by three suspects in Illinois

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:56 am
by cb1000rider
I can agree with that... Whatever started it, we've got an environment where I'd be very concerned if I was a professional LEO.