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Okay, I reveal my biases right off the top. I am a conceal carry guy with "Israeli Carry" meaning no round in the chamber so never any negligent discharges.

My gut tells me in the next year somewhere in Texas somebody will open carry in public and experience a negligent discharge carrying a round in the chamber. I hope I am wrong! However, if I am right, we will never hear the end of it from those who hate guns and carrying of any kind.

Be careful guys and gals as folks are watching!

dlh

ND has nothing to do with chambered, it has to do with touching the trigger.

Don't touch the trigger on a loaded firearm and there won't be an ND.

This comes from someone who carries a cocked-and-locked firearm.

dlh wrote:Okay, I reveal my biases right off the top. I am a conceal carry guy with "Israeli Carry" meaning no round in the chamber so never any negligent discharges.

My gut tells me in the next year somewhere in Texas somebody will open carry in public and experience a negligent discharge carrying a round in the chamber. I hope I am wrong! However, if I am right, we will never hear the end of it from those who hate guns and carrying of any kind.

Be careful guys and gals as folks are watching!

dlh

My gut tells me it will be someone carrying a Glock...maybe a cop...

I guess I don't see where OC has any bearing on NDs.

But yes, we should all try to be safe out there.

CC. One in the chamber. Striving for safety diligence since '99. (well, longer than that, but '99 was my first CC license)

The only way to prevent an ND is keeping booger hooks off the bang switch- load, holster, and leave it alone unless needed.

I carry in uniform everyday, the idea of not carrying a round in the chamber has always suggested to me that the person carrying the weapon does not trust their equipment and skills. I have looked at the Israeli method and was not convinced.

Train, train, and train some more.

The moment of truth when you need to clear leather is not the time to be remembering to chamber a round.


YMMV

Glockedandlocked wrote:The only way to prevent an ND is keeping booger hooks off the bang switch- load, holster, and leave it alone unless needed.

I carry in uniform everyday, the idea of not carrying a round in the chamber has always suggested to me that the person carrying the weapon does not trust their equipment and skills. I have looked at the Israeli method and was not convinced.

Train, train, and train some more.

The moment of truth when you need to clear leather is not the time to be remembering to chamber a round.


YMMV

I trust my skills, it's my 9 year sons ability to stay away from it that concerns me. I keep it away from him and he knows not to touch it and I take him shooting but I still need to be responsible for his decisions.

Richbirdhunter wrote:

Glockedandlocked wrote:The only way to prevent an ND is keeping booger hooks off the bang switch- load, holster, and leave it alone unless needed.

I carry in uniform everyday, the idea of not carrying a round in the chamber has always suggested to me that the person carrying the weapon does not trust their equipment and skills. I have looked at the Israeli method and was not convinced.

Train, train, and train some more.

The moment of truth when you need to clear leather is not the time to be remembering to chamber a round.


YMMV

I trust my skills, it's my 9 year sons ability to stay away from it that concerns me. I keep it away from him and he knows not to touch it and I take him shooting but I still need to be responsible for his decisions.

Valid concern, I can see clear chamber in the home as a safety precaution but when it is on body carry then I prefer having it ready to go.

Glockedandlocked wrote:

Richbirdhunter wrote:

Glockedandlocked wrote:The only way to prevent an ND is keeping booger hooks off the bang switch- load, holster, and leave it alone unless needed.

I carry in uniform everyday, the idea of not carrying a round in the chamber has always suggested to me that the person carrying the weapon does not trust their equipment and skills. I have looked at the Israeli method and was not convinced.

Train, train, and train some more.

The moment of truth when you need to clear leather is not the time to be remembering to chamber a round.


YMMV

I trust my skills, it's my 9 year sons ability to stay away from it that concerns me. I keep it away from him and he knows not to touch it and I take him shooting but I still need to be responsible for his decisions.

Valid concern, I can see clear chamber in the home as a safety precaution but when it is on body carry then I prefer having it ready to go.

Agreed

Richbirdhunter wrote:

Glockedandlocked wrote:The only way to prevent an ND is keeping booger hooks off the bang switch- load, holster, and leave it alone unless needed.

I carry in uniform everyday, the idea of not carrying a round in the chamber has always suggested to me that the person carrying the weapon does not trust their equipment and skills. I have looked at the Israeli method and was not convinced.

Train, train, and train some more.

The moment of truth when you need to clear leather is not the time to be remembering to chamber a round.


YMMV

I trust my skills, it's my 9 year sons ability to stay away from it that concerns me. I keep it away from him and he knows not to touch it and I take him shooting but I still need to be responsible for his decisions.

That is what a safe is for. If you can't afford a safe put a deadbolt on a closet.

Never understood those who carry chamber empty. It's like you expect something to happen but at the same time assume you will have not only have both hands free but time to chamber a round as well. I have several guns chambered in my safe not one has gone off by itself. Modern handguns are beyond safe up until you pull the trigger. I completely fail to understand your connection between OC and ND? If anything OC could be viewed as safer as higher level retention holsters can be used with options like the sentry or hood guard.

Right2Carry wrote:

Richbirdhunter wrote:

Glockedandlocked wrote:The only way to prevent an ND is keeping booger hooks off the bang switch- load, holster, and leave it alone unless needed.

I carry in uniform everyday, the idea of not carrying a round in the chamber has always suggested to me that the person carrying the weapon does not trust their equipment and skills. I have looked at the Israeli method and was not convinced.

Train, train, and train some more.

The moment of truth when you need to clear leather is not the time to be remembering to chamber a round.


YMMV

I trust my skills, it's my 9 year sons ability to stay away from it that concerns me. I keep it away from him and he knows not to touch it and I take him shooting but I still need to be responsible for his decisions.

That is what a safe is for. If you can't afford a safe put a deadbolt on a closet.

I have a safe and I use it, however a gun in the safe is useless and I have a Hornady quick access single gun safe next to where I sit which makes it a much safer scenario.
Still with all of those safety precautions I choose not to have one chambered.

Richbirdhunter wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:

Richbirdhunter wrote:

Glockedandlocked wrote:The only way to prevent an ND is keeping booger hooks off the bang switch- load, holster, and leave it alone unless needed.

I carry in uniform everyday, the idea of not carrying a round in the chamber has always suggested to me that the person carrying the weapon does not trust their equipment and skills. I have looked at the Israeli method and was not convinced.

Train, train, and train some more.

The moment of truth when you need to clear leather is not the time to be remembering to chamber a round.


YMMV

I trust my skills, it's my 9 year sons ability to stay away from it that concerns me. I keep it away from him and he knows not to touch it and I take him shooting but I still need to be responsible for his decisions.

That is what a safe is for. If you can't afford a safe put a deadbolt on a closet.

I have a safe and I use it, however a gun in the safe is useless and I have a Hornady quick access single gun safe next to where I sit which makes it a much safer scenario.
Still with all of those safety precautions I choose not to have one chambered.

Hopefully your decision will not cost you or one of your family members their life.

Right2Carry wrote:

Richbirdhunter wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:

Richbirdhunter wrote:

Glockedandlocked wrote:The only way to prevent an ND is keeping booger hooks off the bang switch- load, holster, and leave it alone unless needed.

I carry in uniform everyday, the idea of not carrying a round in the chamber has always suggested to me that the person carrying the weapon does not trust their equipment and skills. I have looked at the Israeli method and was not convinced.

Train, train, and train some more.

The moment of truth when you need to clear leather is not the time to be remembering to chamber a round.


YMMV

I trust my skills, it's my 9 year sons ability to stay away from it that concerns me. I keep it away from him and he knows not to touch it and I take him shooting but I still need to be responsible for his decisions.

That is what a safe is for. If you can't afford a safe put a deadbolt on a closet.

I have a safe and I use it, however a gun in the safe is useless and I have a Hornady quick access single gun safe next to where I sit which makes it a much safer scenario.
Still with all of those safety precautions I choose not to have one chambered.

Hopefully your decision will not cost you or one of your family members their life.

Thank you, I hope your decisions will not cost you or your family their lives either.

ND's are Not caused by OC or by carrying with a round in the tube. The common denominator / root cause is disregard for basic common sense safety and gross stupidity:
https://youtu.be/G9Yna6jUK3g

dlh wrote:Okay, I reveal my biases right off the top. I am a conceal carry guy with "Israeli Carry" meaning no round in the chamber so never any negligent discharges.

My gut tells me in the next year somewhere in Texas somebody will open carry in public and experience a negligent discharge carrying a round in the chamber. I hope I am wrong! However, if I am right, we will never hear the end of it from those who hate guns and carrying of any kind.

Be careful guys and gals as folks are watching!

dlh

mreed911 wrote:ND has nothing to do with chambered, it has to do with touching the trigger.

Don't touch the trigger on a loaded firearm and there won't be an ND.

This comes from someone who carries a cocked-and-locked firearm.

WHY would open-carriers experience any more NDs than concealed carriers? That is an unsupportable assumption. Based on what? Based on nothing. The law requires an open carrier to carry in ways that are secure. An openly carried pistol in a belt holster is a LOT less likely to have a ND than a concealed pistol carried unholstered in a pocket.......which happens all the time.