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http://katu.com/news/local/leader-of-or ... s-arrested

Edited to give a brief synopsis. Bundys arrested in a traffic stop on way to a public meeting. Reads like lots of different LEO branches involved. FBI appears to have fired the shots at one of the folks exiting or having exited a vehicle. Tomorrow will have better info as per usual.

IMO, the whole thing stinks.

"And no one is sure who fired the first shot".....? Well then I guess case closed.
Meanwhile lets free some more poor souls from GITMO....they're homesick.

Just like nobody is sure who fired the first shots at Waco. I have zero faith in any federal law enforcement. Seems like every time something happens nobody knows what went on and all the evidence disappears.

The circumstances all sound fishy to me. What was the probable cause for the traffic stop? I just hope and pray that the violence doesn't escalate further.

misterlarry wrote:The circumstances all sound fishy to me. What was the probable cause for the traffic stop? I just hope and pray that the violence doesn't escalate further.

The FBI has a horrible history of falsifying evidence, ignoring evidence it doesn't like, and cover ups. Remember Richard Jewel? The Seattle attorney they accused of the terrorist attack in Spain in spite of being told by Spanish authorities he wasn't involved? Waco. Shooting Randy Weaver's wife while she held a baby? And a whole lot of incidents before that.

And a seeming inability to find the evidence when it comes to members of the ruling class, like HItlery.

It has been my experience that its not big corporations, ranchers, or even the terrorist whom I fear that will do me harm, the scariest people on the planet who are most likely to do harm, is the Feds. People like Petreous, Hillary, Scooter Libby,Jane Fonda, Martha Stewert, and Sharpton are not treated the same. The feds are there to protect the "elitist" and ensure the rest of us are submissive.

Liberty wrote:It has been my experience that its not big corporations, ranchers, or even the terrorist whom I fear that will do me harm, the scariest people on the planet who are most likely to do harm, is the Feds. People like Petreous, Hillary, Scooter Libby,Jane Fonda, Martha Stewert, and Sharpton are not treated the same. The feds are there to protect the "elitist" and ensure the rest of us are submissive.

Petraeus was indicted, tried, and convicted, then sentenced and fined. He essentially broke the same laws that hitlery broke. If hitlery kiln-ton is indicted and tried I will be happy.

I want some dashcam footage released yesterday.

According to the article linked here the group had been traveling back and forth unfettered previous to the deadly encounter. Also a video of the man killed made the day before is in the link. No idea who fired first. I remember reading the FBI's long standing rules of engagement were changed during Ruby Ridge that resulted in them firing on and killing Weaver's unarmed wife.
From "The Oregonian"

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-stando ... itant.html

Misterlarry I pray you are correct. This is from an article in the Daily Mail:

Brand Thornton, one of Bundy's supporters, said he left the refuge Monday and wasn't sure what those remaining would do.
'The entire leadership is gone,' he told The Associated Press in a telephone interview. 'I wouldn't blame any of them for leaving.'

Not sure that it gives any insight to the intentions of those still in the building. The leadership that was taken into custody appeared to be rational in their behavior. No telling what may float to the top.

Daddio-on-patio wrote:'The entire leadership is gone,' he told The Associated Press in a telephone interview. '

What a coincidence.