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After various discusions in a renewal class last night, one of my students called today to bring to my attention to a "Letter to the editor" in today's Denton Record Chronicle. (July 6, 2007, page 18)

I told him that a "new federal mandate" was "news" to me, that I would research "Quaker Warning" when more time (got a class going on just now, plus both days this weekend) - and that I would try to start a thread promptly in order to maybe get some feedback from others here.

Without a handy link to the man's letter, I'll simply quote the pertinent parts here (emphasis mine in bold print):

'The Quaker Warning'

"Jim Tom and I have been certified law enforcement firearms instructors since the late 1960s.

Fellow students, a new federal mandate called the "Quaker Warning" has just been issued. It requires a verbal warning before using deadly force against a potential murderer, rapist or child molester.

Dwight Crawford Sr., Sanger "

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In each class, I give out this forum as a potential source for "continuing education" (some truth, some trash). And I'm going to call my student and let him follow y'all's feedback - and I will do the same as more time. Thanks.

Google shows "Quaker Warning" as an old metaphor.

I get almost daily e-mails from the NRA-ILA, and I read them. They have never mentioned such a thing. It would not have been debated in Congress or signed by the President without a lot of notice in the media.

I don't know about internal standards for law enforcement agencies like the FBI, but I'm aware of nothing that applies to private citizens, and think it unlikely.

- Jim

There has been nothing come down internally at DPS that I've seen.

Looks like a spoof to me, with those translations.

I have no idea what he thinks he's writing, but the "Quaker warning" is an old joke: An elderly Quaker heard a window break in his house one night, followed by footsteps downstairs. He took his shotgun to investigate, and encountered a burglar. “Friend, I mean thee no harm, but thou standest where I am about to shoot!�

(For those not in the know, Quakers are pacifists and oppose using force even in self defense.)

I can assure you there is no "federal mandate" about use of force by private citizens.

Greybeard wrote:After various discusions in a renewal class last night, one of my students called today to bring to my attention to a "Letter to the editor" in today's Denton Record Chronicle. (July 6, 2007, page 18)

I told him that a "new federal mandate" was "news" to me, that I would research "Quaker Warning" when more time (got a class going on just now, plus both days this weekend) - and that I would try to start a thread promptly in order to maybe get some feedback from others here.

Without a handy link to the man's letter, I'll simply quote the pertinent parts here (emphasis mine in bold print):

'The Quaker Warning'

"Jim Tom and I have been certified law enforcement firearms instructors since the late 1960s.

Fellow students, a new federal mandate called the "Quaker Warning" has just been issued. It requires a verbal warning before using deadly force against a potential murderer, rapist or child molester.

Dwight Crawford Sr., Sanger "

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In each class, I give out this forum as a potential source for "continuing education" (some truth, some trash). And I'm going to call my student and let him follow y'all's feedback - and I will do the same as more time. Thanks.

ROFL. What is a "Federal Mandate"? (it is actually a requirement the fed govt puts on states to do the feds work)

It is Bologna.

When someone tell you of a new law, rule or even the mysterious "mandate" that just does not pass the common sense test, ask the person for the specific law, rule or "mandate" number. They won't be able to give it as it does not exist in this case.

Besides, we don't use force under federal law, we use it under Texas Law.

OK guys, a thanks for the prompt feedback. Chuck, you readin' this? Register and say "hey" to everyone! If time, maybe even post the rest of what the man had to say and it might shed some light on KB's "enlightenment".

And yea tx, I told Chuck to be prepared to see you light this one up.

KBCraig wrote:“Friend, I mean thee no harm, but thou standest where I am about to shoot!�

Got to remember that one!!

QUAKER WARNING?!?!?! I thought that was what my stomach did on the way home from eating at Taco Cabana.

ba doop psh

Everyone knows that the letters to the editor of the Denton Record are where all federal laws are published.

No, wait. I think that is the Federal Register.

Hmm, has the Denton Record ever broken a news story about any federal law in the letters to the editor?

STOP or I'll...BANG....shoot.....oops........

Mage34 wrote:STOP or I'll...BANG....shoot.....oops........

bang, oh.. 'stop or I'll shoot'..

para driver wrote:

Mage34 wrote:STOP or I'll...BANG....shoot.....oops........

bang, oh.. 'stop or I'll shoot'..

OK, a little more time now ...

Particularly the portion in the OP about "federal mandate" did not pass my initial "smell test" either - the reason it was put in bold type.

In rereading the man's letter, it appears the "Quaker Warning" stuff was indeed related to an old joke, an attempt at humor, concluding with a Texas twist along the lines of some of the stuff you latter guys posted.

I don't subscribe to newspapers, much less make a habit of reading "letters to the editor", but it appears that such "humor" is possibly more appropriate on forums such as this, rather than on the "Opinions" page of a newspaper. But then again, maybe a lot of us may sometimes need to "lighten up" ...